Rav Shteinman on Gentiles and a response

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4231696,00.html

הרב שטיינמן. אמירות חריפות צילום: חיים צח 

הרב שטיינמן: הגויים - גנבים וחסרי שכל

בכנס לקראת שבועות אמר הרב, ממנהיגי הציבור החרדי-ליטאי, כי העולם נברא למען לומדי התורה: "יש שמונה מיליארדים אנשים בעולם. ומה הם כולם, רוצחים, גנבים אנשים בלי שכל"

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הרב אהרון יהודה לייב שטיינמן, ממנהיגי הציבור החרדי-ליטאי, התבטא בחריפות נגד אומות העולם. בדברים שנשא בכנס בבית שמש לקראת חג שבועות - חג מתן תורה - הדגיש הרב את חשיבותה של התורה, ואמר כי העולם נברא עבור הצדיקים שלומדים ומקיימים אותה.

  

דברי הרב בכנס פורסמו במלואם בעיתון החרדי "יתד נאמן", שם צוטט כאומר על מי שאינם יהודים: "יש שמונה מיליארדים אנשים בעולם. ומה הם כולם, רוצחים, גנבים אנשים בלי שכל. זה הכל נמצא, אבל מי התכלית של העולם, וכי הקדוש-ברוך-הוא ברא את העולם בשביל הרוצחים האלה? בשביל הרשעים האלה?"

הרב שטיינמן, שממלא את מקומו של הרב יוסף שלום אלישיב כסמכות הרוחנית עבור ניצגי הליטאים ויהדות התורה, חזר בהמשך דבריו וטען כנגד העולם: "לגויים אין שום שייכות עם תורה. אומות העולם אין להם שום דבר, לא ביטחון (=אמונה) ולא שום מידה טובה".

עיקר דבריו של הרב שטיינמן עסקו בחשיבותה של התורה והשפעתה על חיי היום-יום וחינוך הילדים. הרב הדגיש כי "מי שלא לומד תורה, הוא לא מקיים את המצוות. אם הוא לא לומד תורה זה חורבן, חורבן שלו ושל העולם...

"וזה אנחנו צריכים לשאוף, לראות שכל הילדים, כל הדורות שלנו, להכניס את הבן

ללמוד תורה... כל אחד ואחד שרוצה לראות נחת מהילדים, שיראה שילמדו תורה. אם לא תורה, יהיה עם הארץ וגם נחת לא יהיה ממנו. אפילו אם יהיה לו כסף. וכיז זו התכלית? כסף! האם לוקחים כסף לקבר? אין דבר כזה, ומה יש כן בקבר - תורה".

מנכ"ל חדו"ש, הרב עו"ד אורי רגב, אמר בתגובה לדברים: "מדהים ומקומם לשמוע את ההתבטאות מלאת השנאה נגד כמעט כל המין האנושי. שוב חושף הרב שטיינמן את העובדה שאגדת המתינות שלו היתה במקרה הטוב מופרכת, ובמקרה הרע 

מעשה הונאה".

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מסביב לעולם בשבריר שניה- תגובה מאלפת על דברי הרב שטיינמן.

מאת 

מנחם נאמן

 – 21/05/2012קטגוריות: אחריות ציבורית, אלימות חרדית, גדולי דור, גדולי ישראל, גזענות, הרב שטיינמן, חומרות והקצנה, חינוך, חרדים, טור אישי

לא, חבר'ה, זה מיותר! אל תטרחו! חבל על הזמן! מישהו עשה לכם כבר את העבודה כמו שצריך. רציתם לדעת מי הם ה-ג-ו-י-י-ם- ימח שמם וזכרם? קחו! רוצחים, גנבים, אנשים בלי שכל. אין להם שום דבר, לא ביטחון, ולא שום מידה טובה. אגב, רציתם לדעת למה הם קיימים? -בשביל אלו שיש להם שכל, לא רוצחים ולא גנבים, קרי- החרדים.

כשאתה שומע את זה בפתאומיות, משתוללים לפתע בתודעתך הבזקים חדים ומהירים, אסוציאציות שונות; נירנברג, המן, פרעה, היטלר, סטאלין… אבל פתאום אתה תופס שעכשיו אתה בצד השני של המתרס, בצד המתקיף, בצד העליון, עכשיו אתה בצד של הגזע העליון ה'אמיתי', לא הגרמנים, לא הרוסים, לא העמלקים. לא, עכשיו אתה יהודי, מדבר כיהודי, ויודע היטב למה אתה יהודי, כי אתה צודק! כי עכשיו זה נכון, היהודים זה הגזע העליון! הגרמנים טעו טעות מרה בגלל שהגזע העליון זה לא הם אלא היהודים! אוייש! כמה שכל חסר להם… כבר אמרנו?

אבל בהבזק השני בכלל לא הבנתי; היתה למישהו הווא אמינא שהגויים הם לא רוצחים וגנבים, אנשים בלי שכל? מישהו חשב אחרת? הרי תראו איך הוא הוציא זאת מהשרוול, ככה, באלגנטיות, בלי להניד עפעף. תראו את שבריר השניה, את הפשטות בה מופיעים הדברים, את ה'שכל הישר' כאן. הרי כל מי שפוקח עיניים רואה! כל מי שיצא אי פעם מבני ברק (לכותל או למירון או פגש את האתיופי/ ערבי/ רומני שעובד בישיבה), מיד רואה! רוצחים, גנבים, אנשים בלי שכל! פשיטא!

לא, חבר'ה, האמת היא שהרבה לא שמים לב, הרבה לא רוצים לראות. איך אומרים אצלנו? רואים מה שרוצים לראות! כמה שזה נכון! רבים חללים הפילה, אנשים תמימים שבתאוות נפשם הלכו אחרי ההבל ונעשו אהבלים, חשבו שימצאו משהו אצל הגויים, חשבו שזה נוצץ, מבריק. תשמעו לגדוילים כבר! הם עשו סיור רחב ברחבי העולם, וראו את האמת בעיניים; רוצחים, גנבים, אנשים בלי שכל! אז, למה אתם הולכים רחוק? הנה! אתם יודעים!

איך אומר הפסוק? תזכירו לי; …כי היא חכמתכם ובינתכם לעיני העמים…

ברור! הגויים? אנשים בלי שכל!

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אם לא מפלצתי, אז פתטי, אם לא פתטי אז ילדותי, אם לא ילדותי, אז פרימיטיבי.

עומד לו 'גדול הדור' על הקתדרלה, ומה שיש לו למכור, זה הטיוח הגס והוולגארי הזה. מה שיש לו להעניק לנו, זה שכל מי שלא כמונו הוא רוצח, גנב, בלי שום מידה טובה, ובלי שכל. ולכן, כמובן, צריך להיות כמונו.

וכך, כאשר יצא אחד מאיתנו לשוק ויראה איזה שייגעץ שעוזר לאיזו אישה זקנה ברחוב, או כשהוא יראה הוגים גדולים עוסקים בשאלות מוסריות גדולות, כשהוא יראה גוי מציל יהודי באושוויץ, או כשהוא יראה סתם אדם נחמד, הוא ידע להסביר שזה בוודאי נובע מ'נקודה פנימית' רעה, ושבפנימיותו הוא רוצח וגנב, וכן להיפך. או אז, הוא יתמלא גאווה גדולה על מקומו, על 'שהבדילנו מן התועים'! כמה כיף! כמה חכם! מסודר!

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תחשבו על הילדותיות העמוקה שטמונה במשפטים הללו. כהרף עין, בשבריר שניה, אנו מוציאים להורג את כל מה שיש ל ' ג ו י י ם' האיומים, את כל מטעני התרבות שלהם, את כל החכמה שהם הפיקו במשך אלפי שנה, את המחשבה העמוקה שלהם על ערכים ועל מוסר, את טוב ליבם של כל כך הרבה אנשים, כל זה לא שווה כלום! כל זה לא קיים! האמת היא, שהם רוצחים וגנבים ובלי שכל.

האם הרב שטיינמן חושב שאנחנו מטומטמים? אני לא מבין!

איזה טיעון ילדותי! בגלל שיש להם ערכים אחרים, צורת הסתכלות אחרת, אורח חיים אחר, הם הופכים להיות בן-רגע לרוצחים מושבעים. איזו טייחנות מרודדת! אם אני ה'טובים', אז הם ה'רעים'! ושוב, משחק הקלאסיפיקאציות הפתטי הזה עולה על סדר היום. יושבים עם איזה מדחום ומודדים מי 'יותר טוב' ומי 'פחות טוב' כשהמדד הוא תמיד, איך לא?, אנחנו!

למה יש לי הרגשה שילדים בכיתה א' מדברים בצורה קצת יותר מורכבת? ולמה יש לי תחושה שבשביל להיות גוד'ל צריך להיות כמה שיותר מנותק מהעולם, ילדותי, פרימיטיבי, ולדעת 'ברוח הקודש' וב'דעת תורה' מי זה 'באמת' הגויים! או אז, מוסרים אינפורמציה להמוני המאמינים הצמאים ל'דבר ה" (עלייק), שעל אמת, אבל, על אמת, הם כולם רוצחים וגנבים ובלי שכל. ואז, כולם גומעים בצמא, רווים את מי הקודש, ונוסכים לעצמם נופך בשרירים. כן! אישור נוסף! אנחנו הכי הכי הכי טובים!

ומה אנו יכולים לומר על רמת המוסריות של אדם המשליך את כל הטוב שבאחרים לאשפה רק בגלל שהם לא כמוהו ומסתכלים על העולם בצורה שונה ממנו? מה אנו יכולים לומר על אדם שהיחס שלו אל הטוב הוא כזה בנאלי? טריווייאלי?

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ועכשיו, כמובן, התנצלויות מכל כיוון על ה'פליטה'; הוא לא התכוון לזה, הוא התכוון לומר שהם חושבים רק על כסף, הוא יתכוון לומר שאין להם ערכים [המתוחכמים יוסיפו; כמו שלנו], הוא התכוון להראות שהיהודים מחנכים ל'לא תגנוב' והגויים לא וכו' וכו'. ואחרים יאמרו בצורה יותר רשמית, ברור! הרי הוא צודק במאה אחוז!

אז, אולי צריך להבהיר אחת ולתמיד: העניין הוא לא התכוון ולא התכוון. זה שולי וחסר משמעות. השאלה היא מה השיח, מה השפה, מה החינוך, מה המסר.

יהדות שמה שנשאר ממנה זה הטפה על כך שכל השאר הם רוצחים וגנבים, היא יהדות מנוונת. היא יהדות שאין ביכולתה להתמודד עם האתגרים הערכיים באמת של החיים. היא יהדות שאין בכוחה להתמודד באמת עם העולם שבחוץ, עם ערכים אחרים. היא לא יודעת בגלל שהיא בכלל לא מודעת. האם ניסה פעם הרב שטיינמן למשש את אריסטו, דקארט, קאנט או הגל? האם הוא ניסה לעמת את עצמו? לשאול את עצמו, אולי יש עוד אנשים חוץ ממנו שהתקדמו לאיזשהו מקום? שניסו להציע משהו מסויים? שניסו להביע דבר מה מחוץ לעולם שלו?

זה כל כך ילדותי לחשוב שמה שלימדו אותך והעולם הצר שאתה נמצא בו מילדותך הוא העולם 'האמיתי' וכל השאר שטויות, כל כך ילדותי שזה מעיד על מידת הרוחב של העולם הרעיוני, האינטלקטואלי והדתי של 'גדולי הדור' כיום. זה מעיד על צרות האופקים, על חוסר הבגרות, חוסר החשיבה, ובעיקר, המאפיין הגדול של הילדותיות; מחשבה שאתה זה שיודע הכל ושחוץ ממך אף אחד לא חשב על כלום ולא יודע כלום. זה נשמע כמו הילדים בכיתה א' שמדברים על מה שביבי עשה שזה סתם שטויות והוא לא מבין כלום. זה נשמע כמו אלו שעכשיו בקעו מקליפת הביצה ומרגישים שהם אלו שיודיעו לכולם מה באמת!

בגרות הרי זה להכיר ולהיות מודע לכך שישנם עוד הרבה פרספקטיבות והרבה אנשים שחשבו ברצינות, הרבה רציניים לא פחות ממך, אנשים ישרים, שניסו לחשוב על משהו באמת ובתמים, ושאולי לא מתאימים לדרכך, אבל גם הם מנסים, ובדיוק כמוך, לחשוב משהו, להכיר ולדעת.

חינוך שנזקק באופן פתטי ותמידי ל'תירוצים' מהסוג הזה, חינוך שצריך 'לשכנע' את צעיריו להמשיך ללמוד תורה בטיעון שכל האחרים דפוקים ולא מבינים כלום, הוא חינוך שפשט את הרגל. חינוך שאין לו מה לענות, אין לו מה לומר, אין לו שפה אמיתית בה הוא יכול לענות לצעיריו, להעניק להם משמעות.

אם צריך להפוך את כל האחרים לרוצחים בשביל לצדוק זה אומר שאנחנו דרגה אחת מעל הרוצחים! מאוד מלבב!

כך, יצאו כל מיני בחורים שמאסו באורח החיים הדתי, יפערו עיניים לנוכח העולם החיצוני, ויראו שלא כולם שם רוצחים וגנבים, או אז הם יבינו ששקר נחלו אבותיהם, יפשיטו מעליהם את בגדי הדתיות לגמרי ויעזבו את היהדות בראש כל חוצות. למה? בגלל ש'גדולי הדור' של היום מלמדים אותנו שהיהדות זה דבר כל כך קטן, כל כך מסכן, כל כך לא רחב ולא רציני, כך שאנשים שלא למדו מספיק על יהדות ותכניה, יאמרו לעצמם; מה אנחנו עושים עמוק בבור הזה?

ואלה הם הגדוילים המנחים את אורח חיינו…

Coffee Drinkers May Live Longer - NYTimes.com

Coffee Drinkers May Live Longer - NYTimes.com

Hooray!

Mecho'oh Redux: Shavuos Night Shiur on Gittin

I will be giving a shiur Shavuos night at 3:30 am at the Blueberry Hill shul on the issues of persuading and coercing gittin - addressing, IY"H, all the assertions raised on RDE's blog. Everyone is invited to this shiur, as well as my preceding shiur at Ohr Somayach at 2:20 am on the topic of Acher: Elisha ben Avuyah and Mattan Torah. (The juxtaposition of topics is pure coincidence.)

If there is more widespread interest (comment or email me), I will give either or both shiurim after Shavuos as conference call shiurim.

KT, GS,

YGB

Excellent article on the founding principles of the USA

Voter's Guide

Home Resources Voter's Guide

(Bound copies of this document are available - please contact us) How To Vote From The Historic Judeo-Christian Perspective© Peter A. Lillback, Ph.D. Our founders established a republic that required the involvement of the people. As Abraham Lincoln concluded hisGettysburg Address, he recognized the vulnerability of our government of the people, by the people, for the people. The living, he said, needed a devotion to that cause for which they [the dead] gave the last full measure of devotion. He declared that the living must highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth. Americans are the privileged heirs of the sacrifice and wisdom of our Founders and Patriots. The purpose of this guide is to present practical principles that cannot be ignored if you desire to vote from a historic moral framework. These values cannot be compromised or rejected if you seek to follow the foundational belief in the Judeo-Christian teachings that were so important to our Founding Fathers. Preparing To Vote: Four Timeless Principles  Our founding document, The Declaration of Independence, gives us four timeless principles that we must acknowledge when electing leaders for our nation: 1. We must reflect the "laws of nature" and the "laws. . .of Nature’s God" in our political activities: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them. 2. We must recognize that our activity in the democratic process is a gift of God Himself: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness... 3. We are accountable to God for what we do in our roles as citizens: We therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good people of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, Free and Independent States… 4. We can trust in the help of God as we seek to do that which is Just: And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. Voting in America is Both a Right and a Duty Samuel Adams, the sparkplug of American independence, wrote, Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual—or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country. The precious and fragile gift of our American form of government was captured in a remark that Benjamin Franklinmade. As he left the Constitutional Convention that met at Independence Hall in Philadelphia, a woman asked him "What kind of government have you given us?" Franklin answered, "A republic, if you can keep it!"  Our republic, the rule of representatives elected by the American people, is threatened whenever voters become uninvolved. Did you know that according to a recent study, only 60% of Christians in America are registered to vote? And sadly, a significant percentage of those who are registered did not vote in the last election. What can we do to reverse this dangerous trend? We must heed the warning of Franklin D Roosevelt, our 32nd President: Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country. Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter put it this way, In a democracy, the highest office is the office of citizen. Seven Principles to Consider when Choosing Our National Leaders: To assist us all in our highly charged political environment, consider these principles that reflect the founding wisdom of our greatest Americans. 1. Voting is a Sacred Responsibility. a. Ballots must take the place of bullets. Abraham Lincoln, our 16th President, said: Ballots are the rightful and peaceful successors to bullets. b. John Jay our first Supreme Court Chief Justice said, The Americans are the first people whom Heaven has favored with an opportunity of deliberating upon and choosing the forms of government under which they should live. c. Matthew 22:21 states, Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s. In America, "We the People" are the equivalent of Caesar. When we vote, we are doing our just duty to civil government under God. 2. Character Matters in Elected Officials. a. John Witherspoon, both a minister and a signer of the Declaration of Independence declared, The people in general ought to have regard to the moral character of those whom they invest with authority either in the legislative, executive or judicial branches. b. Proverbs 29:2 says, When the righteous thrive, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule, the people groan. 3. Righteousness Exalts a Nation. (Proverbs 14:34) a. The eternal rules established by God should be followed when considering moral issues in an election. In George Washington’s First Inaugural Address, he stated: … the propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained: And since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of Government, are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally staked, on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people. b. James Madison, the author of the First Amendment and architect of our Constitution said on Nov. 20, 1825: The belief in a God All Powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the World and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources… c. Our Second President, John Adams declared in his address to the military dated October 11, 1798: We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. … Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. 4. Marriage and The family are Established by Our Creator a. The Family is the building block of society. Biblical teaching on marriage and the family is clear. Marriage is to be between one man and one woman (Genesis 2:22-25). Homosexuality (Romans 1:21-27), promiscuity (1 Corinthians 6:12-20) and polygamy (Matthew 19:4-6.) are outside of historic Judeo-Christian biblical teaching. America’s first Constitution, The Fundamental Orders of Connecticut states in Article I: That the Scriptures hold forth a perfect rule for the direction and government of all men in all duties which they are to perform to God and men, as well in families and commonwealths as in matters of the church. b. Samuel Adams wrote to a young man, I could say a thousand things to you, if I had leisure. I could dwell on the importance of piety and religion, of industry and frugality, of prudence, economy, regularity and even Government, all of which are essential to the well being of a family. But I have not time. I cannot however help repeating piety, because I think it indispensable. Religion in a family is at once its brightest ornament and its best security. c. Homosexuality is not an acceptable life-style in historic Judeo-Christian ethics. Consider George Washington’s General Orders at Valley Forge: At a General Court Martial (10th March 1778) Lt. Enslin … tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; … found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of … the Articles of War…sentence…to be dismissed from the service with Infamy. d. The Parent-Child relationship is a deep moral concern. (Exodus 20:12; Ephesians 6:1-4.) The great statue to honor the Father of our Country—the Washington Monument—reminds us of the importance of parental training. Senator Robert C. Byrd said on June 27, 1962, Engraved on the metal on the top of the Washington Monument are the words: ‘Praise be to God.’ Lining the walls of the stairwell are such biblical phrases as ‘Search the Scriptures,’ ‘Holiness to the Lord,’ ‘Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it.’  e. The significant role of parents in the life of children is at the core of the moral concern about human cloning. Human cloning by its very nature creates an orphan from birth. It deprives the child of a mother or a father. The wisdom of the ages and modern research have demonstrated that the healthiest environment for Children is a home with both a mother and father. Deuteronomy 10:18 says, He defends the cause of the fatherless. John 14:18 promises, I will not leave you as orphans. 5. Sanctity of Life Is the Ideal that We Must Pursue. a. Life is sacred. God declares that murder is unacceptable. When we consider questions such as abortion, or embryonic stem-cell research, or euthanasia, we must ask the question is a human life being taken? b. The sanctity of the life of the unborn is clear from these Biblical Texts: Jeremiah 1:5 says, Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born, I set you apart. Psalm 139:13-16 says, For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. c. As our Declaration of Independence asserts, We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life... d. Mother Teresa at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C. on February 3, 1994 said, If we remember that God loves us, and that we can love others as He loves us, then America can become a sign of peace for the world. From here, a sign of care for the weakest of the weak—the unborn child—must go out to the world. If you become a burning light of justice and peace in the world, then really you will be true to what the founders of this country stood for. 6. Judicial Activism is a Threat to our Constitution and to our Freedom. a. In the face of the judicial tyranny that has determined that the Ten Commandments have no relevance to our nation and need to be removed from any and all public places, we must assert the abiding wisdom of the Founders and great leaders of our nation who consciously formed a government that had a Judeo-Christian worldview as its foundation. b. Jesus declared, Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.(John 7:24.) King David asserted, The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men. (Psalm 12:8.) i. President Washington: Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness—these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. ii. President Harry S. Truman affirmed: The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don’t think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don’t have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State! iii. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1957: The blessing of life and the freedoms all of us enjoy in this land today are based in no small measure on the Ten Commandments which have been handed down to us by the religious teachers of the Jewish faith. These Commandments of God provide endless opportunities for fruitful service, and they are a stronghold of moral purpose for men everywhere. c. Thomas Jefferson had grave concerns about the judiciary: At the establishment of our constitutions, the judiciary bodies were supposed to be the most helpless and harmless members of the government. Experience, however, soon showed in what way they were to become the most dangerous; that the insufficiency of the means provided for their removal gave them a freehold and irresponsibility in office; that their decisions, seeming to concern individual suitors only, pass silent and unheeded by the public at large; that these decisions, nevertheless, become law by precedent, sapping, by little and little, the foundations of the constitution, and working its change by construction, before any one has perceived that that invisible and helpless worm has been busily employed in consuming its substance. In truth, man is not made to be trusted for life if secured against all liability to account. (Letter to A. Coray, October 31, 1823) d. Abraham Lincoln echoed these concerns: At the same time, the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the Government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made in ordinary litigation between parties in personal actions, the people will have ceased to the their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their Government into the hands of that eminent tribunal. e. The biblical description of the "unjust judge" (Luke 18:6) is one who neither fears God nor cares about men. (Luke 18:2.) Indeed, Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law resist them. (Proverbs 28:4.) 7. Free Speech and Religious Liberty are cornerstones of our Nation a. William Penn, in his 1701 Charter of Privileges established religious freedom that was then nearly unknown: BECAUSE no People can be truly happy, though under the greatest Enjoyment of Civil Liberties, if abridged of the Freedom of their Consciences, as to their Religious Profession and Worship: And Almighty God being the only Lord of Conscience, Father of Lights and Spirits; …I do hereby Grant and Declare, that no person or persons, Inhabiting in this Province or Territories, who shall Confess and Acknowledge One Almighty God, the Creator upholder and Ruler of the World; and profess him or themselves Obliged to live quietly under the Civil Government, shall be in any Case molested or prejudiced, in his or their Person or Estate, because of his or their Conscientious persuasion or practice, nor be compelled to frequent or maintain any Religious Worship place or Ministry contrary to his or their mind or do or suffer any other act or thing, contrary to their Religious persuasion.  b. In a letter to Philadelphia ministers upon his election as President, Washingtonwrote: While all men within our territories are protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of their consciences; it is rationally to be expected from them in return, that they will be emulous of evincing the sanctity of their professions by the innocence of their lives and the beneficence of their actions; for no man, who is profligate in his morals, or a bad member of the civil community, can possibly be a true Christian, or a credit to his own religious society. c. The Golden Rule of Matthew 7:12 teaches, So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you. When we know this rule, we will give to others the religious liberty and free speech we desire for ourselves. Similarly, we are then in a position to insist that our liberty of religious conviction and free speech are not assaulted or abridged. Why Your Vote Matters 1. Your Vote Advances the Two Great Commandments When it is Consciously Moral. When a vote is cast to reflect God’s moral principles, we are loving God and our neighbor. Edmund Burke once declared, All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. 2. Your vote is the ultimate check and balance on our Government. The alternatives are clear: voting or tyranny. John Adams, the second President of the U.S. explained, We electors have an important constitutional power placed in our hands: we have a check upon two branches of the legislature. 3. Your Vote is a Witness to Your Conscience: Even if your moral vote is defeated by the false arguments of popular secularism, you have witnessed to the truth of your conscience and you have preserved your right to continue to speak for moral change. John Hancock, whose signature dominates the Declaration of Independence, gives this challenge, I conjure you, by all that is dear, by all that is honorable, by all that is sacred, not only that ye pray but that ye act.  4. Your Vote is Needed to Preserve our Liberty for Future Generations: Our Founding Fathers wrote in theJournal of the Continental Congress, 1774, It is an indispensable duty which we owe to God, our country, ourselves and posterity, by all lawful ways and means in our power to maintain, defend and preserve these civil and religious rights and liberties for which many of our fathers fought, bled and died, and to hand them down entire to future generations. How to Determine a Candidate’s Position 1. Make a point to stay tuned to newspapers, radio and television, recognizing that each media has its own particular bias. Seek out direct quotations from the candidates themselves. 2. You have every right to contact a candidate directly through phone, mail or email. Most candidates welcome this contact and are happy to provide materials on their positions on various issues. Some Don’ts of Voting: 1. Don’t vote simply on your party affiliation. 2. Don’t vote based on appearances – looks can be deceiving. Look at the candidate’s values, not the outward appearance. 3. Don’t vote based on a candidate’s claim that he/she is a "religious Christian" or a "believer". These terms have come to mean many different things to many different people. Only actions truly determine a person’s view. 4. Don’t vote based on lesser important issues – make sure your candidate will get it right on the big issues. 5. Don’t vote only for your own self-interest. Consider the greater good for future generations of Americans. Some Do’s of Voting 1. Do know how each candidate stands on the Seven Principles. 2. Do rank candidates according to their stance on the Seven Principles. 3. Do support candidates that do not contradict these Principles 4. Do choose the candidate least likely to do harm, if all candidates oppose one or more of the Seven Principles. 5. Do remember that your vote today, even if cast for lesser offices, may determine future higher offices that will be held by that candidate. 6. When there is no acceptable candidate, Do vote for the one least likely to put into place legislation contrary to the Seven Principles. 7. Do listen to your Conscience. It was put there by God as an alarm system. If you keep your mind informed, your conscience will be a valuable tool in the voting booth. A well informed and trained mind will never lead you away from the historic Judeo-Christian moral teachings given by God. Concluding Thoughts: Every Four Years Powerful People Elect Powerful Presidents The American President is one of the most powerful men on earth. Our first President under the U.S. Constitution understood that the system of government created by the Constitutional Assembly gave great powers to the nation’s leaders. He also knew such power was dangerous. An overly powerful government could re-create another tyranny over the citizens of the new nation. The founders’ solution was to create a constitution with defined powers limited by checks and balances. George Washington wrote to Marquis de Lafayette on February 7, 1788: It will at least be a recommendation to the proposed Constitution that it is provided with more checks and barriers against the introduction of Tyranny, and those of a nature less liable to be surmounted, than any Government hitherto instituted among mortals…. Washington called these two concepts – the vast but delegated power of government and the regular return of governmental power to the people – "pivots" that give motion to the entire constitution. In the same letter to Lafayette,Washington says, With regard to the two great points (the pivots upon which the whole machine must move,) my Creed is simply, 1st. That the general Government is not invested with more Powers than are indispensably necessary to perform the functions of a good Government; 2ly. That these Powers (as the appointment of all Rulers will forever arise from, and, at short stated intervals, recur to the free suffrage of the People) are so distributed among the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches, into which the general Government is arranged, that it can never be in danger of degenerating… so long as there shall remain any virtue in the body of the People. If we take Washington’s "wheel" metaphor seriously, we as individual citizens have a powerful motivation to be involved in the electoral process. Clearly government is not remiss in exercising its wheel of power. That "pivot" or "wheel" functions like a well-oiled machine. But what about Washington’s second wheel or pivot? Washington was counting on "We the People of the United States" to exercise the rights for which the writers of the constitution fought so mightily, namely: The power under the Constitution will always be in the People. It is entrusted for certain defined purposes, and for a certain limited period, to representatives of their own choosing; and whenever it is executed contrary to their interest, or not agreeable to their wishes, their Servants can, and undoubtedly will be, recalled. (To future Supreme Court Justice Bushrod Washington on November 10, 1787) Do "We the People of the United States" exercise our right to reclaim our power on the regular intervals established by our Constitution as the ultimate check and balance? Sadly, millions of Americans remain unregistered and millions more do not vote in election after election. How well would your car function if only half the wheels worked? Our founders were counting on us to keep our government functioning well. Be a good citizen and vote! Remember: In a democracy, the highest office is the office of citizen. Copyright 2004 by Peter A. Lillback All Rights Reserved

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Lag BaOmer « TREASURES OF ASHKENAZ - Not!

Lag BaOmer « TREASURES OF ASHKENAZ


Aren't we Yekkes such a bunch of fuddy-duddies? :-)


See also
http://treasuresofashkenaz.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/no-no-no-no-no-minhag-ashkenaz-on-lag-baomer/ 

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Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: R Bechhofer's pshat in Rambam - critique

Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: R Bechhofer's pshat in Rambam - critique


As I am posting this link, at 11:21 pm EST Motzo'ei Shabbos, my (several) comments have not yet appeared appended to the post, but RDE is pretty quick at moderation. So I assume that in a few hours at most (when it is a decent hour in the morning in EY) they will be there.

One Small Step for Man, One Giant Leap for Purim?

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Mecho'oh cont'd II: "James" gets it...

From today's "Da'as Torah:"


Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: ORA: Private coercion or Beis Din?: 

James (May 3, 2012) wrote : Even if it [ORA's actiities] is humiliation, (and I do not think it is) it is not humiliation ordered by the Beth Din. There is nothing new with publishing seruvim and calling the public to urge Aharon to give a GET. The only thing different is that ORA has decided to use the Internet to organize the public in a way that was never possible before the advent of the Internet.This is a private action

 James has raised a very important issue which we seem to have been missed in all the debate. When ORA holds demonstrations is it to be viewed as an agent of beis din or as private citizen? Rabbi Ralbag - a member of the Beis Din that urged Aharon to give a get to Tamar told my brother that the declaration of his beis din did not authorize demonstrations. It would thus seem that ORA is not the agent of this beis din. Is it the agent of any beis din? Does Rav Schachter's approval constitute a beis din or does he have a private beis din which authorized this?

Furthermore if Aharon's boss Rep Camp urged him to give the get or threatened to fire him if he didn't give a get - a threat he would do solely because of ORA's actions - is that considered force from a non-Jew? Even if  Rep Camp says I am pressuring you to do what ORA wants you to do - does that make it complying with beis din?

What if a person saw the demonstrations and threatened to physically attack Aharon unless he gave a get. Is this considered legitimate force  or would the resulting get be a get me'usa? If it is legitimate than it would be consistent with  Bava Kamma 28 which is the sugya of physical action against others without the consulting or involvement of beis din.

Chazon Ish (E.H. 69:23) describes a case that the wife's father refuses to give back money that belongs to the husband - unless he gives a get. The Chazon Ish says since the beis din did not authorize this it is kefiah by a hedyot. Therefore he urges that beis din be convened and rule that the father should not give back the money until the get is given.

Rambam (Hilchos Gerushin 2:20): If it isn't required according to the halacha that the husband be forced to give a get and beis din made a mistake or laymen - and they forced him until he gave a get - the get is not valid.  But since Jews have forced him he should give her a valid get [because he might think it was valid and when he marries another without obtaining a valid get it produces mamzerim]. However if goyim force him not according to halacha it is not a get.... since the law does not require it and the force was from goyim it is not a get.

In sum. James asserts that as long as the force is unrelated to beis din we avoid all the tiresome discussion of what constitutes legitimate pressure according to Rabbeinu Tam or Rambam etc etc. Thus if his assertion is correct - any and all types of force can be applied to force the get - because it is only vigilante action and not the legitimate psak of beis din!

As I commented there:


You can taunt James all you like, but he is absolutely correct. This is medukdak in the Rambam, but you missed the diyuk because you inaccurately translated hedyotos as laymen - implying it is a separate category from a BD that was in error. The Rambam is saying that a get compelled by an erroneous BD or a BD of simpletons is invalid. V'duk.


Note: The Eidensohns keep posting sources that they want us to assume are in support of their position. They are not. That includes the CI posted today. I cannot respond to everything there, as it would take up all my time. If there are specific issues you would like me to address, please comment here. Thanks!

I erred

I erred in my assumption that the organizers were at fault for the limited definition of "Klal Yisroel" implicit in the Citi Field event. Today, in response to the post, I received this communication from a reliable source:

Hi Rabbi Bechhofer! 

How are you? I just saw your blog, for the sake of honesty I do want to point out that one of the organizers did contact me to involve OU Rabbis (and others on the "left"). OU wasn't interested. He met also with Rabbi Lerner about YI Rabbis. Not sure what they said. 

So I do think they were trying to be inclusive. 

I regret not having been dan l'kaf zechus. On the flip side, I am deeply disappointed in the "left" institutions that evidently refuse to recognize the reality of the far-reaching problem of the generation.