tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post1276140739248305389..comments2024-03-25T16:16:30.872-04:00Comments on YGB - יג"ב: Why I cannot accept the Satmer Rebbe zt"l, updatedYosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-77659769277146567072012-10-10T21:21:17.996-04:002012-10-10T21:21:17.996-04:00My experience is that everyone makes mistakes. It ...My experience is that everyone makes mistakes. It is near impossible to deal with a person who refuses to admit to ever making a mistake.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-18465750630878646852012-10-10T21:00:24.609-04:002012-10-10T21:00:24.609-04:00Quote: "Anonymous said...
So why not post a r...Quote: "Anonymous said...<br />So why not post a rebuttal (on his new website http://www.jewswithquestions.com/) and explain why R' Kook's statements were indeed acceptable?"<br /><br />Answer: I used to be a big "chosid" of the Frumteens moderator, until I started actually questioning some of the things he wrote. When I pointed out that he was making it seem like every gadol thought RAYK was a rasha, which isn't true, he ignored me. When I quoted a sefer of Rav Wolbe's letters, including title and PAGE NUMBER, where he wrote "ZTVKLLH"H" on Rav Kook, even though he disagreed with his hashkofos and said they were wrong, Frumteens refused to publish my post. So R' Bechhofer won't waste his time writing in to Frumteens, I'm sure.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00875337500035491999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-16882226935926705062012-03-14T16:41:20.822-04:002012-03-14T16:41:20.822-04:00The Satmar Rebbe ztl comments on R'Kook are mi...The Satmar Rebbe ztl comments on R'Kook are mild in comparison to what Reb Elchonon ztl said. Reb Elchonon called R'Kook a "rasha gamur" in a letter he wrote to Rav Dushinsky (printed in koveitz mamaarim).<br /><br />The Chazon Ish said it's assur to read R'Kook's non halacha seforim. Why? Probably b/c he felt his philosophy contained apikorsis or borderline apikorsis. For example:<br /><br />"The Neshamos of the non-religious Jews before the coming of Moshiach, if they are involved with issues of the Jewish people and the rebirth of the nation, are greater than the Neshamos of the religious Jews who do not have this trait of dedicating themselves to the benefit of the public, the building of the nation and the land." (Oros MeOfel, 43)<br /><br />R'Kook wrote some wild and far out there stuff! Maybe I'm not one to declare it apikorsis, but the Satmar Rav, Reb Elchonon, and Chazon Ish certainly are. <br /><br />You have a preconceived notion of a tzadik is. A disney version. Throughout the generations, tzadikim have stood up and used harsh words when necessary. <br /><br />For the above mentioned reasons, I cannot view Rabbi Bechhofer as a moreh derech.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-90253277411239379542012-01-27T11:46:41.798-05:002012-01-27T11:46:41.798-05:00Well I think it sounds like you do have respect fo...Well I think it sounds like you do have respect for the SR because you say he has many zechuyos. I still think it is a stera and you were not really meyashev it. that is OK I am also full of steras.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-64105166591220133582012-01-27T03:40:55.314-05:002012-01-27T03:40:55.314-05:001. Now I see why bloggers dont allow anonymous com...1. Now I see why bloggers dont allow anonymous comments. Its gets very confusing trying to figure out who is posting what.<br /><br />2. To the people who are shocked by your post. My question to them is How would they react if the Satmar Rav spoke the same way about the Chafetz Chaim or the Chazon Ish as he did about Rav Kook? If these people held Rav Kook at the same madraiga as the others then they would probably be bothered by the Satmar Rav's letters.<br /><br />BTW, the Frumteens moderator is coward and a liar. Many people, myself included, have tried to post comments on his forums and he either blocks them or alters them. I know this for a fact. He says terrible things about Israel and even worse things about Rav Kook.JewsForZionismhttp://www.jewsforzion.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-58360325962715933952012-01-26T22:31:32.214-05:002012-01-26T22:31:32.214-05:00you now longer respect the SR but you refer to him...<i>you now longer respect the SR but you refer to him as ZTL'????<br />care to explain?</i><br /><br />I do not hold that people that I perceive to be wrong and unsuitable role models cannot be tzaddikim. He certainly had many, many zechuyos. <br /><br />The world is not black and white. It consists mostly of infinite shades of gray.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-66318951776524500142012-01-26T22:06:20.063-05:002012-01-26T22:06:20.063-05:00you now longer respect the SR but you refer to him...you now longer respect the SR but you refer to him as ZTL'????<br />care to explain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-76519100509299102242012-01-24T09:47:45.331-05:002012-01-24T09:47:45.331-05:00Reb Anonymous of the car analogy,
I would like to...Reb Anonymous of the car analogy,<br /><br />I would like to respond to your comments in a separate post, which I hope IYH to get to sometime today.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-56560843947623026222012-01-24T04:19:16.629-05:002012-01-24T04:19:16.629-05:00NO WRONG.
I gave the example of a car. People like...NO WRONG.<br />I gave the example of a car. People like you and the rest of the posters here and on RHM who have absolutely no knowledge of torah would buy it on its color. The outside trappings. A Rabbi who can learn like the owner of this blog ought to know better. He should be looking at the substance of his arguments against zionism before disparaging him not at his color or his actions.<br />Why should anyones actions whatever they may be, be proof to his shittos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-33760236137309803032012-01-24T01:02:42.390-05:002012-01-24T01:02:42.390-05:00and dumping garbage in front of rav moshe's ap...and dumping garbage in front of rav moshe's apt is also "here nor there", right ?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-74357251909510445932012-01-24T00:50:46.508-05:002012-01-24T00:50:46.508-05:00You as a rabbi who can learn surprise me. Does som...You as a rabbi who can learn surprise me. Does someone choose a car on its color alone. You dismiss the SR because of his 'color'. The way he writes about others. If you want to pasken a halacha if zionism is correct or not you should go by his reasons, what difference does it make how he 'terms' others. Either his 'lomdus' is correct or it isnt. What he calls others who dont agree with him is neither here nor there.<br />You may say that you havent 'denigrated' him, but you have made sure that others on here and on RHM'S blog have. Most calling him much more vile names than he ever called anyone. Do you really think this is a great mitsva what you are doing. Just because they are all am haarazim not realising his greatness is not an excuse. You seem to have too many threads running at once. Perhaps you close one about this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-69909821717395624172012-01-23T23:36:08.200-05:002012-01-23T23:36:08.200-05:00The Chafetz Chaim on Rav Kook:
Know that he is hol...The Chafetz Chaim on Rav Kook:<br />Know that he is holy and pure and anyone who impinges on his honor will not go unpunished.<br /><br />http://www.ravaviner.com/2010/02/10-relationships-between-maran-ha-rav.htmlYEAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-26054522844280913732012-01-23T21:34:06.013-05:002012-01-23T21:34:06.013-05:00Sadly the late Satmar Rebbe was one of-the great h...Sadly the late Satmar Rebbe was one of-the great hate mongers of the last 100 years. His hypocrisy of continually lambasting Zionisim while escaping Europe on a Zionist ticket is breath catching. His acrid castigations of others was unfortunately never turned inward, he was the Jewish Captan Schettino, jumping into the life boat while his minions perished. Zionists for years had been warning of the Holacaust "liquidate the exile before it liquidates you" was Jabotinskys darnier cree. RYT's hatred of them was doubtlessly ensconced with his own guilt. <br />His legacy is one of internecine bile, fractious relationships between his adulators and the balance of Jewery, a trail spittle and vitriol. Doubtless he has done good things too, but to ignore the carnage he's left behind is to kind a countenance for this twentieth century interlocutor.Dovid Wernernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-16788168412428360242012-01-23T12:38:01.949-05:002012-01-23T12:38:01.949-05:001. Do you have a valid halachic response to the ts...1. <i>Do you have a valid halachic response to the tshuvos of the SR and the Shearis Yosef?</i><br /><br />You're missing the point. Whether RAYHK was right or wrong is besides the point, which is the manner in which the war was waged. <br /><br />We have a כלל גדול. If a מחלוקת is לשם שמים then ואת והב בסופה. I do not wish to expand the point at the moment, but it is fairly obvious.<br /><br />2. <i>"Natan Slifkin's problematic attitude is towards Chazal"<br /><br />And can you define "Chazal" in some way other than "that part of Chazal I like"? Which, to a Satmar, includes his Rebbe, by the way. You can't play both sides here.</i><br /><br />I don't understand what you mean. When I say Chazal I mean Chachmei HaTalmud. I am not responsible for a Chasif assuming his Rebbe is a member of Chazal.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-92152089075910518552012-01-23T04:09:32.846-05:002012-01-23T04:09:32.846-05:00"Natan Slifkin's problematic attitude is ..."Natan Slifkin's problematic attitude is towards Chazal"<br /><br />And can you define "Chazal" in some way other than "that part of Chazal I like"? Which, to a Satmar, includes his Rebbe, by the way. You can't play both sides here.Nachumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11292162031685942549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-30220601454451249162012-01-23T00:30:31.909-05:002012-01-23T00:30:31.909-05:00Only thing I've seen regarding this is R' ...Only thing I've seen regarding this is R' Yehuda Henkin's tshuva (Shu"t Bnei Banim: Volume 2: Siman 34 - http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20022&st=&pgnum=127&hilite=), and I wasn't too impressed with his reasoning... He doesn't offer any defense of R' Kook's statements....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-7456992430736432402012-01-23T00:27:55.269-05:002012-01-23T00:27:55.269-05:00Do you have a valid halachic response to the tshuv...Do you have a valid halachic response to the tshuvos of the SR and the Shearis Yosef?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-36429578597186408652012-01-23T00:25:14.116-05:002012-01-23T00:25:14.116-05:00So why not post a rebuttal (on his new website htt...So why not post a rebuttal (on his new website http://www.jewswithquestions.com/) and explain why R' Kook's statements were indeed acceptable?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-66466405464927713932012-01-23T00:15:13.617-05:002012-01-23T00:15:13.617-05:00"The frumteens moderator is ya'du'a, ..."The frumteens moderator is ya'du'a, v'ein kan makom l'ha'arich."<br /><br />Did you actually read and consider what he says on those links?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-62801461103761813352012-01-23T00:14:21.939-05:002012-01-23T00:14:21.939-05:00They say the CI had a ta'anah on R' Tzvi P...They say the CI had a ta'anah on R' Tzvi Pesach Frank that he quoted and took into account opinions of authorities who were inferior to himself. V'duk.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-44481039817050607672012-01-23T00:02:53.984-05:002012-01-23T00:02:53.984-05:00Also check out this tshuva from Rav Yosef Yedid Ha...Also check out this tshuva from Rav Yosef Yedid HaLevi (Shu"t Shearis Yosef: Volume 4: Page 432) (this tshuva was written regarding R' Kook):<br /><br />http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=22671&st=&pgnum=441<br /><br />Check out also what Rav Zev Leff Shlita has to say about this topic:<br /><br />http://www.rabbileff.net/shiurim/ask/index.htm #1775Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-68420497223406850912012-01-23T00:01:48.080-05:002012-01-23T00:01:48.080-05:00The frumteens moderator is ya'du'a, v'...The frumteens moderator is ya'du'a, v'ein kan makom l'ha'arich.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-52047778533991819872012-01-22T23:56:57.674-05:002012-01-22T23:56:57.674-05:00Regarding R' Kook, check out what the frumteen...Regarding R' Kook, check out what the frumteens moderator says here: <br /> <br />http://classic.frumteens.com//topic.php?topic_id=482&forum_id=27&topic_title=rabbi+kook%2F+rabbi+amnon+yitzchak&forum_title=&M=0 <br /> <br />http://classic.frumteens.com//topic.php?whichpage=4&pagesize=15&forum_title=&topic_title=What+are+we+gonna+do+about+the+Palistinians%3F&forum_id=45&topic_id=1494 <br /> <br />http://classic.frumteens.com//topic.php?whichpage=6&pagesize=15&forum_title=Zionists,+and+Arabs,+and+Eretz+Yisroel&topic_title=What+are+we+gonna+do+about+the+Palistinians%3F&forum_id=45&topic_id=1494Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-73781680699249619682012-01-22T19:46:14.487-05:002012-01-22T19:46:14.487-05:00יישר כחך
Don't be intimidated by the aggressi...יישר כחך<br /><br />Don't be intimidated by the aggressive loudmouth Satmar and their allies. What you wrote is very important. <br /><br />There is a new phenomenon of people from other camps and backgrounds deluding themselves to think that they are akin to Satmar, when they actually are far from it, and if they knew that they would step back. It is being reinforced by new English hagiographies of the Rebbe, including one recently published by Feldheim (wonder what you think about that ;-). See re Feldheim book an interview, in which the author (like Lubavitchers with 19 Kislev) tries to make it as if their 21 Kislev holiday is a major Jewish holiday, http://www.feldheim.com/blog/chanukah-in-satmar-a-glimpse-into-the-rebbe%E2%80%99s-court<br /><br />It is about time someone said the Emes. חזק ואמץ!Bravo!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-45255284719615067192012-01-22T19:37:56.099-05:002012-01-22T19:37:56.099-05:00RAYK was known for Ahavas Chinam and I doubt he wo...RAYK was known for Ahavas Chinam and I doubt he would see how this post would fit into helping Knesses Yisrael.Neil Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12797772082427806345noreply@blogger.com