tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post5016503103035516685..comments2024-03-25T16:16:30.872-04:00Comments on YGB - יג"ב: Satmer Rebbe zt"l RevisitedYosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-58278108960550057042015-11-28T23:15:13.369-05:002015-11-28T23:15:13.369-05:00Whether it is permitted or forbidden to go up on t...Whether it is permitted or forbidden to go up on the HhB is not relevant to the issue, so we need not get into it now.<br /><br />What is relevant is the proper quality of a mecho'o, especially when it is in "real-time."<br /><br />I am not casting aspersions on the ascent to the HhB per se - even though I am strongly and adamantly opposed to it. Yerei'im u'sheleimim (but nevertheless, to'im) are among those who go up to HhB, v'Hu rachum yechaper if there is an avon.<br /><br />But without casting aspersions on their theology, philosophy or derech avodah - and certainly their tzidkus - under normal circumstances - this is a time of piku'ach nefesh mamash, here and now. There is no heter for someone who feels that this is a form of redifah to not stress the danger involved. If one must strive to save a nirdaf by violence to the rodef, al achas kamma v'kamma by strenuous mecho'oh.<br /><br />Again, this is not a personal attack on anyone, and not casting aspersions on their personal stature. That is what the SR did to RAYHK. He attacked the gavra, not the ma'aseh. I am protesting the ma'aseh, not the gavra. The chilluk is pashut. No irony.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-55011750463195809852015-11-28T22:57:27.277-05:002015-11-28T22:57:27.277-05:00Of course I see differences, but I still find it i...Of course I see differences, but I still find it ironic, because beyond the parameters of the particulars of the case on point of the SR’s words on RK, the "taama di'kra" of your post is suggested by your further comments, such as your statement בשלום ובמישור הלך עמי - ורבים השיב מעון regarding how you disagreed with SR reaction to Zionism. Or your statements that “The way I was educated, derech eretz kadma la'Torah. Moreover, lo nitnu ha'mitzvos elah l'tzareif es ha'beriyos. “ and “Whether RAYHK was right or wrong is besides the point, which is the manner in which the war was waged.” Yet I do not think indiscriminately accusing Har Habayit ascenders or defenders about not caring about “old ladies being stabbed in Rishon” fits. That is where I feel you similarly crossed the line of "the manner in which the war is waged." (There may or may not be other examples. That one sticks out in my mind).<br /><br />Would you say that line to the following supporters of going up to har habayit? Or to paraphrase you in a different context posting on the SR and RK, have you spoken in them in learning on this topic, in their beit midrash or bet Knesset?<br /><br />To just glibly toss them all out as “biased” ulterior motive nationalist, lo zo ha-derech. That "may" be true for some of them, but to blanketly just toss them all out . . . It certainly is not true of the non-"Hardalim" posted below, and quite a number of those posted below are not "Hardal"<br /><br /> Rabbi Shlomo Goren z’l, former Ashkenazi Chief Rabbis of Israel<br /><br />Rabbi Chaim David Halevi z’l, former Chief Rabbi of Tel Aviv<br /><br />Rabbi Yisrael Yaakov Fischer z’l , former head of the Edah Charedit<br /><br />Rabbi Yosef Kapach z’l<br /><br />Rabbi Yechiel Michel Tukuchinsky z’l<br /><br />Rabbi Moshe Feinstein z’lin a teshuva seems to indicate that some parts of<br /><br />the Temple Mount are permitted to enter<br /><br />Rabbi Moshe Tendler<br /><br />Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher Rebbe<br /><br />Rabbi Dov Lior, Rabbi of Kiryat Arba<br /><br />Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, Rav of Tzfat<br /><br />Rabbi Ben-Zion Mutzafi, Rosh Yeshivat Bnei Tzion<br /><br />Rabbi Eliezer Melamed, Rosh Yeshivat Har Beracha<br /><br />Rabbi Yisrael Ariel, Rav of Machon Hamikdash<br /><br />Rabbi She'ar Yashuv Cohen, Chief Rabbi of Haifa;<br /><br />Rabbi Yuval Sherlo, Rosh Yeshiva of the hesder yeshiva of Petah Tikva<br /><br />Rabbi Yaacov Meidan, Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshivat Har Etzion<br /><br />Rabbi Yitzchak Shilat, Maaleh Adumim<br /><br />Rabbi Re’em HaCohen, Rosh Yeshivat Otniel<br /><br />Rabbi Zefania Derori, Rosh Yeshivat Kiryat Shemoneh<br /><br />Rabbi Chaim Druckman, Rav of Yeshivot Bnei Akivah<br /><br />Rabbi Yisrael Rozen, Machon Zomet<br /><br />Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Rimon, Rav Alon Shvut<br /><br />Rabbi Nachum Rabbinovitz, Rosh Yeshivat Bircat Moshe, Ma’alei Adumim<br /><br /> <br /><br />(The list is from http://www.rabbimanning.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Going-Up-To-Har-Habayit-Nov-2014-long-form.pdf See there for more details and sources, note that he puts Rav Mordechai Eliyahu as against, but Rav Mordechai Eliyahu’s opposition was not blanket. He did not want Aliya l har habayit for the masses, but wanted an allowance for a minyan of trustworthy talmidei chachamim. Also, Rav Avraham Shapira was personally against, but privately told individuals it was not assur, as noted there)-YMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10756992411938081674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-20209723149260639432012-01-23T15:42:23.385-05:002012-01-23T15:42:23.385-05:00he aguda at the moment has ministers and deputy mi...<i>he aguda at the moment has ministers and deputy ministers. That is called joining the government. They are more interested in getting their share of the cake than the chillul shabbos of el al or anything else. It is only to get the votes that they claim they are their for 'yidishkeit'.</i><br /><br />They only have deputy ministers. Check it out. Litzman, for example, is deputy Health Minister, with the office of Minister vacant. The final split between AI and PAI was when Binyamin Mintz took the portfolio of Minister of the Post Office.<br /><br />BTW, I agree that religious parties should be abolished.<br /><br /><br /><i>The SR knew this in advance. It may also have to do with CI more than with the SR.</i><br /><br />Maybe yes, maybe no. In any event, it is irrelevant.<br /><br /><i>The Torah says why werent you scared to talk against moshe my servant. This was said to his siblings. How is it that you a rabbi are not scared to talk against the SR.</i><br /><br />All I did was cite material he himself published in Divrei Yoel. I am sure the SR stood by what he wrote. I explained that this is a style of address that for *me* is the tipping point.<br /><br /><i>And not just talk but put it on a blog and get others to copy and distribute it with even worse undertones like RHM. There is a cherem about talking about 'dead' people as well. I suppose you never met him either. Has any other 'decent' rabbi who knew him and most did, ever spoken about him like that.</i><br /><br />Like what? I wrote zt"l on him. That was the only way in which I referred to his essence.<br /><br /><i>Your YU mentors did they ever.</i><br /><br />I did not attend YU.<br /><br /><i>What great rabbis speak about each other is not our concern and how dare we mix in. We can perhaps choose whom we like to follow but not join in their mudslinging.</i><br /><br />I believe that is exactly what I did. I did not mix in, I used the mode of address and regard as a determining factor in whom to or not to follow.<br /><br /><i>This is all done because their followers are far from Torah and this is the only language they understand. At least its for a purpose to make sure their psak is kept.</i><br /><br />You mean Satmer chassidim could not have understood Rav Kook was wrong unless the SR said about him: הוא הגבר אשר החזיק והרחיב בארה"ק גבול הטומאה and יצא לכפור בתורה שבכתב ובע"פ ובעיקרי האמונה?<br /><br /><i>Your post has absolutely no purpose apart from speaking ill of the dead.</i><br /><br />Actually, it has quite other purposes.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-60692637208636588642012-01-23T15:01:49.770-05:002012-01-23T15:01:49.770-05:00The aguda at the moment has ministers and deputy m...The aguda at the moment has ministers and deputy ministers. That is called joining the government. They are more interested in getting their share of the cake than the chillul shabbos of el al or anything else. It is only to get the votes that they claim they are their for 'yidishkeit'. The SR knew this in advance. It may also have to do with CI more than with the SR. The Torah says why werent you scared to talk against moshe my servant. This was said to his siblings. How is it that you a rabbi are not scared to talk against the SR. And not just talk but put it on a blog and get others to copy and distribute it with even worse undertones like RHM. There is a cherem about talking about 'dead' people as well. I suppose you never met him either. Has any other 'decent' rabbi who knew him and most did, ever spoken about him like that. Your YU mentors did they ever. What great rabbis speak about each other is not our concern and how dare we mix in. We can perhaps choose whom we like to follow but not join in their mudslinging. This is all done because their followers are far from Torah and this is the only language they understand. At least its for a purpose to make sure their psak is kept. Your post has absolutely no purpose apart from speaking ill of the dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-56764976854645049272012-01-23T12:59:48.824-05:002012-01-23T12:59:48.824-05:001. Can't this be said about every Rav? A perso...1. <i>Can't this be said about every Rav? A person will find something to agree about in almost anyone, while something to disagree about in almost everyone, too. <br /><br />Is it just a difference of extent or quantity in this case?</i><br /><br />Weighted quantity.<br /><br />Monday, January 23, 2012 3:49:00 AM<br /><br /><br />2. <i>The SR held that sitting in the knesset is 'yahoreg val yaavor' much worse than chiullul shabbos.<br />So according to his shittah the aguda is worse than the conservatives who are 'just' mechallel shabbos.<br />While he was alive they the aguda were scared of him and didnt join the government.</i><br /><br />Dr. Isaac Breuer zt"l formulated the austritt policy followed by the Agudah - and they still don't join the government as a result. It has nothing to do with the SR.<br /><br /><i>Your colleague RHM has understood that since he says 'tsar voyev' he automatically means 'haman'. If I say someone is bad or very bad does that already mean i equate the two. Just calling two people 'bad' doesnt mean they are equal. Unless he called him 'haman' by name he didnt mean it.</i><br /><br />I agree. There are far, far worse things stated about RAYHK in that letter. Such as what it says right after his name.<br /><br /><i>The gemoro says nvuah was given to shotim. Nvuah for your information is not what goes on after 120 years as you seem to imply. It is what goes on in this world. One doesnt need n'vuah to know that a person who was an oved hashem like the SR gets gan eden. Even if he was wrong.</i><br /><br />I was actually referring to your statement concerning myself. In any event, it was tongue-in-cheek. It fell flat. Sorry.<br /><br /><i>Because of his opinions and his derech has anyone at all stopped being frum.</i><br /><br />Yes. Rabbim chalalim hipila.<br /><br /><br /><i>One cant say this about the MO who have taken many away from the real orthodox by explaining one can have an 'alternative' Jewishness which usually ends up with none at all.</i><br /><br />Just as Charedism is not monolithic, neither is MO.<br /><br /><i>The argument between him and the agudist rabbis was not if he was wrong. They all agreed to him that he was right to be against making a medina. The problem is only now that its here what should be done. The SR never spoke against agudist rabbis for this reason.</i><br /><br />Maybe yes and maybe no. But that's irrelevant to this discussion.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-19784222250490937902012-01-23T12:43:03.063-05:002012-01-23T12:43:03.063-05:00The letter is at:
http://www.tzemachdovid.org/gedo...The letter is at:<br />http://www.tzemachdovid.org/gedolim/ravkook.pdfYosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-75512649348960759542012-01-23T10:51:10.059-05:002012-01-23T10:51:10.059-05:00Are you familiar with the letter Rav Kook Zatzal w...Are you familiar with the letter Rav Kook Zatzal wrote in support of Rav Glazner of Klausenburg. IT is pretty definite that the Satmar Rav was a primary focus of that letter. Certainly he was a major mover in the anti Glazner movement. If so it is pretty obvioyus why the SR had such a violent reactioon to Rav Kook he could dish it out but he couldn't take it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-15233062795346049292012-01-23T05:50:43.129-05:002012-01-23T05:50:43.129-05:00The gemoro says nvuah was given to shotim. Nvuah f...The gemoro says nvuah was given to shotim. Nvuah for your information is not what goes on after 120 years as you seem to imply. It is what goes on in this world. One doesnt need n'vuah to know that a person who was an oved hashem like the SR gets gan eden. Even if he was wrong. <br />Because of his opinions and his derech has anyone at all stopped being frum. One cant say this about the MO who have taken many away from the real orthodox by explaining one can have an 'alternative' Jewishness which usually ends up with none at all. <br />The argument between him and the agudist rabbis was not if he was wrong. They all agreed to him that he was right to be against making a medina. The problem is only now that its here what should be done. The SR never spoke against agudist rabbis for this reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-47686184945483691682012-01-23T05:39:12.670-05:002012-01-23T05:39:12.670-05:00The SR held that sitting in the knesset is 'ya...The SR held that sitting in the knesset is 'yahoreg val yaavor' much worse than chiullul shabbos.<br />So according to his shittah the aguda is worse than the conservatives who are 'just' mechallel shabbos.<br />While he was alive they the aguda were scared of him and didnt join the government. <br />Your colleague RHM has understood that since he says 'tsar voyev' he automatically means 'haman'. If I say someone is bad or very bad does that already mean i equate the two. Just calling two people 'bad' doesnt mean they are equal. Unless he called him 'haman' by name he didnt mean it. RHM whose grandson needs a big yeshua should also be sending ten rabbonim to his kever. <br />So should the skverer to the kever of Breslov.<br />He still met up with the agudists in Israel like the gerrer rebbe. <br />One rebbe answered him that in heaven they have said the zionists are right. He replies in heaven 'fleein unz glaich'. Im heaven we both are flying equally. We have to go by the torah not what we dream goes on in heaven.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-41223844749848154882012-01-23T03:49:55.537-05:002012-01-23T03:49:55.537-05:00There are elements of every person that we can fin...<i>There are elements of every person that we can find to respect. There are many elements of the SR's "gestalt" that I can respect. It is the gestalt that I cannot respect...</i><br /><br />Can't this be said about every Rav? A person will find something to agree about in almost anyone, while something to disagree about in almost everyone, too. <br /><br />Is it just a difference of extent or quantity in this case?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-22573370950201912512012-01-23T00:07:26.397-05:002012-01-23T00:07:26.397-05:00The Rogatchover is different for specific reasons....The Rogatchover is different for specific reasons.<br /><br />Religious Zionists are not Conservatives. Have you ever stepped foot in Merkaz HaRav? That you can even make such a comparison is the underlying problem which undermines any respect one might possibly have for your position.<br /><br />I am glad you know the cheshbonos of the Borei in terms of Gan Eden. It is about time that nevu'ah returned to Am Yisroel!Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-41911591183935266262012-01-22T23:43:21.924-05:002012-01-22T23:43:21.924-05:00but you'll have to ask me about it privately i...<b>but you'll have to ask me about it privately if you want to know what it is.</b><br />You dont seem to be scared of putting your views on SR in print.<br />Why is the rogatchover different.<br />Is it because you dont yet have a bandwagon to latch on to.<br />The conservatives held that one can drive to shul on shabbos. Does one denounce them or not.<br />It also says 'ain sholom l'rshoim'.<br />You can put any posuk out of context. Doing 'chanufa' for the r'shoim wont grant you a place in gan eden. I assure you the SR has one, I am not so sure about you though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-23751974105705179442012-01-22T22:18:05.078-05:002012-01-22T22:18:05.078-05:00think the shabbos thing was with r yonason shteif ...<i>think the shabbos thing was with r yonason shteif & satmar (re: being mekabel shabbos by rabbeinu tam)...</i><br /><br />That it was RYS who dealt with the SR on the issue seems much more likely. Is there anything b'ksav?Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-3736324247962188362012-01-22T21:04:42.473-05:002012-01-22T21:04:42.473-05:00think the shabbos thing was with r yonason shteif ...think the shabbos thing was with r yonason shteif & satmar (re: being mekabel shabbos by rabbeinu tam)...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-47535110356027952262012-01-22T18:05:20.448-05:002012-01-22T18:05:20.448-05:00Post-cynical:
What makes you think I was not awar...Post-cynical:<br /><br />What makes you think I was not aware of the Rogatchover's writings? I have a definite de'ah vis-a-vis the Rogatchover - whose lomdus I love - but you'll have to ask me about it privately if you want to know what it is.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-14694547333466888512012-01-22T17:50:18.186-05:002012-01-22T17:50:18.186-05:00Can you no longer respect the Rogochover? Can you ...Can you no longer respect the Rogochover? Can you no more imagine him correct on anything? Can we know the shock you went into upon seeing this missive? Does it contradict everything you know about Torah authority and Torah's influence in a person?<br /><br />I guess the answer would be yes.Post-cynicalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-31457506793770022412012-01-22T17:29:39.767-05:002012-01-22T17:29:39.767-05:00Looking forward to the spirited denunciation of th...<i>Looking forward to the spirited denunciation of the terrible Rogochover:</i><br /><br />I am not aware that I spiritedly denounced the SR. So I will have to disappoint you vis-a-vis the Rogotchover as well!Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-33620551074365370962012-01-22T17:28:07.258-05:002012-01-22T17:28:07.258-05:00i would add, so far no person with 'a name'...<i>i would add, so far no person with 'a name' has come up saying that the SR told him to stay in Europe.</i><br /><br />I did not assert anything of the sort.<br /><br /><i> The SR held that religious zionists were wrong and according to him it was a mitsva to do anything to stop them. If you saw someone eating traifo or mechallel shabbos even though he had some heter you would also have to do the same to stop anyone relying on it.</i><br /><br />I definitely would not. It would be counterproductive. בשלום ובמישור הלך עמי - ורבים השיב מעון.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-70476248603273853772012-01-22T17:24:36.387-05:002012-01-22T17:24:36.387-05:00The orginal blog post was titled "Why I canno...<i>The orginal blog post was titled "Why I cannot respect the Satmer Rebbe z"l," yet now I see your commment which says "There is much to respect and admire in both the SR zt"l and the BR zt"l." <br /><br />A clarification of your view would help.</i><br /><br />There are elements of every person that we can find to respect. There are many elements of the SR's "gestalt" that I can respect. It is the gestalt that I cannot respect, because the negative of such writing about a person who, at the very least, was a talmid chochom who was trying to serve Hashem outweighs any limud zechus I can possibly construe.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-3490254620977347862012-01-22T17:19:44.561-05:002012-01-22T17:19:44.561-05:00sr and rak sat down together to reconcile zmanei s...<i>sr and rak sat down together to reconcile zmanei shabbos. a major policy issue, no?</i><br /><br />No, I wouldn't call that a major policy issue, but I am fascinated by the idea of the meeting. Can you provide more details?Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-29702262642642682582012-01-22T17:17:25.384-05:002012-01-22T17:17:25.384-05:00can you explain/elaborate on your last line?
It h...<i>can you explain/elaborate on your last line?</i><br /><br />It had a typo - "me" should have been "be" - I corrected it.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-48286942193427041842012-01-22T16:38:38.101-05:002012-01-22T16:38:38.101-05:00Looking forward to the spirited denunciation of th...Looking forward to the spirited denunciation of the terrible Rogochover:<br /><br />ג"ה עש"ק י"א שבט תרפ"ז דווינסק<br /><br />קבלתי ג' מכתביך ע"ד הבור השוטה המכונה בשם אשר רש"י ז"ל סותר עצמו : עי" חולין דף ס"ג ע"א (אר"י קאת זו הקוק) ודף קל"ח ע"ב ודף ק"מ ע"ב אם הוא מין טמא או טהור ובאמת לפי הנראה היא מגדר המין דחולין דף ס"ב ע"ב ונדה דף ג" ע"ב ע"ש בתוס' תרנגלא דאגמא דהזכר טמא והנקבה טהור גדר עמוני שהם נפנו על ס"ת יבמות דף ט"ז ע"ב ולמסקנא כולם טמאים. וצא טמא יקרא לו ואסור להתוכח עמו כמבואר בסנהדרין דף ל"ח ע"ב כ"ש דפקר טפי. ועי' מכילתא פ' בשלח מלחמה לד' בעמלק מדור דור דורו של משיח והרי הוא כופר בהשגחה עליונה . ועי' מ"ש רבנו בספר המורה ח"א פ"ט וכמ"ש בקדושין דף ל"ג ע"ב, כי על עון מדות בא עמלק ע"ש בתוספות, וכמ"ש ה"ה ז"ל בה' גנבה ספ"ז ע"ש בזה ומאן רשעי גנבי סוף סנהדרין כופר בהשגחה ב"ק דף ע"ט ע"ב ותוס' סוטה דף מ"א ע"ב ע"ש והדין תורא מחבל כרמיא ור"ש פ"ז דפאה ושאיה יוכת שער מנגח כתורא ב"ק דף כ"א. אך תל"י אנן קי"ל כמ"ד המקיים קוצים בכרם לא קידש כרם ד' וכו' ויבא בעל הכרם ויכלה את קוציו ב"מ דף כ"ג ע"ב ומעשרות פ"ג בירושלמי בעל הגינה וד' ית' ישלח לנו גואל צדק ואז אי"ה חפו חשוכא להני אינשי סנהדרין דף צ"ט ע"א.<br /><br />כ"ד יוסף ראזין רב דפה הנ"לPost-cynicalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-92104921306145299372012-01-22T13:37:15.162-05:002012-01-22T13:37:15.162-05:00i would add, so far no person with 'a name'...i would add, so far no person with 'a name' has come up saying that the SR told him to stay in Europe. If you can find me one I would be very grateful. Till then I dont think you should keep telling this lie over and over again. Just because its told so often doesnt make it become true. Now with the net your aveiros of demeaning a godol, so you can get your blog mentioned elsewhere and drive up custom, is no different to mischabed biklon chavairo. I dont know who you are but have you ever written any torah in your life. Who are you to decide what a godol should say. The SR held that religious zionists were wrong and according to him it was a mitsva to do anything to stop them. If you saw someone eating traifo or mechallel shabbos even though he had some heter you would also have to do the same to stop anyone relying on it. See how the ktsos and nesivos talk about each other although they were very good friends. The rambam was also put in cherem at some time. This language is nothing new at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-70625901035403409322012-01-22T13:27:59.410-05:002012-01-22T13:27:59.410-05:00Your whole post is really disgraceful. Has anyone ...Your whole post is really disgraceful. Has anyone even of your community ever spoken about SR like you. Do you know that he neither ate nor slept much. And although he had a very busy schedule still found time to learn and write tshuvos. <br /> At the hesped he said that RAK did not change meaning he did not allow limudai chol in his yeshivo.<br />The belzer rebbe who also spoke like you 30 years ago is now doing tshuva. How long will it take you to do tshuva.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-680623917196976582012-01-19T21:09:03.204-05:002012-01-19T21:09:03.204-05:00Where can the SR's hesped for RAK be found?Where can the SR's hesped for RAK be found?Jacobnoreply@blogger.com