tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post7291669868382128560..comments2024-03-25T16:16:30.872-04:00Comments on YGB - יג"ב: Barry's Latest: A Response To ‘Misguided Mesorah’ | The 5 Towns Jewish TimesYosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-61866870371152193852015-08-02T00:45:04.842-04:002015-08-02T00:45:04.842-04:00the fact ismost gedolim of our last generation hel...the fact ismost gedolim of our last generation held of the lubavitcher rebbe as a tremendous talmid chacham reb moshe feinstien refered to him in highest terms as is evidenced by letters and he backed up the rebbe on his shitos like thepsak the rebbe gave out its forbidden to move away from crown hights mihu yehudi and even came once to to 770 to meet him rabbi pinchas hirshprung a talmid muvhak of rabbi meir Shapirowho obviously did not grow up chabad was so impressed from the rebbes knowledge that he said therebbes knowledge surpaased even the pre war polish geonim Menachem zemba and his rebbe rabbi shapiroAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-41938677617040798612013-07-11T23:52:15.958-04:002013-07-11T23:52:15.958-04:00To Barry
I agree with every word that you say, but...To Barry<br />I agree with every word that you say, but I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish. If you have such complaints against Chareidism, then become modern orthodox, where these issues dont exist. If you cant bring yourself to do that, then remain Chareidi. Are you trying to change the Chareidi mindset, thinking that your persuasive arguments will do so (that would be insane)<br />abnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-86681280091980675492013-07-09T12:19:56.100-04:002013-07-09T12:19:56.100-04:00RYGB's criteria for who is a Gadol would seemi...RYGB's criteria for who is a Gadol would seemingly preclude many members of the Moetzes "Gedolei" HaTorah.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-88516700913555622542013-07-08T16:46:27.222-04:002013-07-08T16:46:27.222-04:00Unfortunately these are wise words wasted.
A syste...Unfortunately these are wise words wasted.<br />A system of thinking has been created in which only those who are 100% in sync with the values it promotes are good. 1% discrepancy is the same as 100% - one is evil, wicked, beyond the pale, etc. It is a system that holds that any criticism of it, no matter how well meant or valid, is a vile attack that needs to be repulsed.<br />It is a system that has revised history to create the illusion that it has always existed and was, until recently the only valid expression of that culture.<br />So you cannot disagree with it. You are automatically disqualified. You cannot criticize it. Such criticism is invalid. You cannot live differently than it and expect to be respected by it because it is the only respectful way to live.<br />Is there even a point to further discussion?Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-10628744800283799932013-07-08T12:19:00.380-04:002013-07-08T12:19:00.380-04:00"We can’t have a system of “my gadol is great..."We can’t have a system of “my gadol is greater than your gadol.”"<br /><br />But we need criteria to define who is a gadol in the first place:<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow">http://www.ottmall.com/mj_ht_arch/v10/mj_v10i74.html</a>Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-34459168387697556452013-07-08T11:19:27.455-04:002013-07-08T11:19:27.455-04:00"We can’t have a system of “my gadol is great..."We can’t have a system of “my gadol is greater than your gadol.”"<br /><br />But we need criteria to define who is a gadol in the first place:<br /><br />http://www.jewswithquestions.com/index.php?/topic/297-who-are-the-gedolei-yisroel/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-84749913103073291422013-07-08T11:13:55.126-04:002013-07-08T11:13:55.126-04:00“Why would somebody who had never met him, and was...“Why would somebody who had never met him, and was 6,000 miles away, be a good choice to judge?”<br /><br />Maybe because he investigated?<br /><br />Rav Ovadia Yosef was asked the following:<br /><br />כאשר השיב הרב יוסף לשאלות בסיום השיעור השבועי שלו בבית-הכנסת ברוכוב בשכונת הבוכרים בירושלים<br />אחד השואלים ביקש לדעת מדוע אין הרב יוסף מגן על כבודו של הרבי מלובביץ’ מפני התקפותיו של הרב שך<br /><br />Check out his answer here:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRg0HZGeeBY<br /><br />http://identifyingchabad.org/al-hatorah.pdf – page 110Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-3203420877585940242013-07-08T08:23:39.811-04:002013-07-08T08:23:39.811-04:00I agree that the issues concerning Rabbi Goren and...I agree that the issues concerning Rabbi Goren and Rabbi Steinzaltz should not have been included in the list of grievances.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-67112322106659204332013-07-07T22:17:08.171-04:002013-07-07T22:17:08.171-04:00Regarding Steinsaltz, Rav Shach was joined by:
Ra...Regarding Steinsaltz, Rav Shach was joined by:<br /><br />Rav Elyashiv<br />Tzitz Eliezer<br />Rav Shteinman<br />Rav Chaim Kanievsky<br />Rav Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz<br />Rav Chaim Kreiswirth<br />Rav Scheinberg<br />Rav Nissim Karelitz<br />Rav Vosner<br /><br />Check it out:<br /><br />http://www.yoel-ab.com/katava.asp?id=115Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-8083194288074316452013-07-07T09:29:18.864-04:002013-07-07T09:29:18.864-04:00What exactly did T. Lapid do to shmad Charedim?What exactly did T. Lapid do to shmad Charedim?Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-61068775034092796572013-07-07T09:20:21.843-04:002013-07-07T09:20:21.843-04:00Apparently Yosef Gavriel conviently forgot the lik...Apparently Yosef Gavriel conviently forgot the likes of Tommy Lapid, who are from the past decade, and his powerful Shiuni Party that was an integral part of the Israeli government and did seek to shmad us.J Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-64410377827463863492013-07-07T09:09:47.308-04:002013-07-07T09:09:47.308-04:00David:
Being unpleasant (at the very least, perha...David:<br /><br />Being unpleasant (at the very least, perhaps even nasty) to Barry, if anything, confirms his concern and proves his point.<br /><br />Anonymous:<br /><br />1. Not a good example. What about Yekkes who did (following RT) develop a shittah that MA is no longer necessary? I am not saying Rabbi Stav is the best candidate for CR, but the fact that his shittah is different is not sufficient reason to physically or verbally attack him. Divrei chachamim b'nachas nishma'im.<br /><br />2. I believe your interpretation of history is flawed. The positive attitude lasted in mainstream Charedi perspectives until the early '70's. At least until the petirah of the Ponovezher Rav.<br /><br />But, be that as it may, the battle over Sherut Leumi took place in 1952. One of the flaws in the Charedi system is our lack of historical perspective. The rhetoric would have you believe that the SL, Yaldei Teheran, the Kastner affair, all happened within the last year - at least within the last decade! That it is still a battle, perhaps even a war, to build and maintain Torah institutions. This is not the case. No one is looking anymore to shmad anybody. The rhetoric is only useful to incite strife. And it is impeding the Geulah.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-92200241383908187212013-07-07T07:54:51.688-04:002013-07-07T07:54:51.688-04:001. I personally heard Rav Steinman Shlita say that...1. I personally heard Rav Steinman Shlita say that there is a difference between one who doesn't wash Mayim Achronim since he's not Makpid on everything, and one who develops a Shita whereby washing Mayim Acharonim is no longer necessary. Rav Stav clearly belongs to the latter category. If you would investigate a bit I think you would find that it would be very dangerous to have such a person as a Chief Rabbi. Nobody attacked him publicly when he went about his business in his own organization, but running for the Chief Rabbinate is another story altogether. Is there NOTHING for which we should fight, must be always "turn the other cheeck"<br />2. In 1948 the day after the signing of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, the large headline of one Charedi newspaper (HaModia I think, but not sure), was "She'Hecheyanu, etc." The Charedim, at least some, initially greeted the state with open arms as you would like to do. And then ... various events in the early years of the state convinced the Rabbis of the time that the state was truly out to eradicate religion (I don't think the early leaders denied this fact). Would you have fought against National Service for girls at that time? There was a VERY real possibility that every Charedi girl at the age of 18 would be taken from her house and placed in some non-religious framework for 2 years. Even today Israel is the only Western state that conscripts girls. Was this worth fighting for? Now, you may say, things have changed, and people have changed. Today is not the 1950s. This is easy to say sitting in a comfortable life in the Five Towns. But at least grant others a little closer to the reality a different perspective. Let me ask you: what would you do if a pornographic theater open 24 hours was opened next to your house/on your block. Would you protest? Perhaps letter writing, etc. OK, that didn't work. What now? Is that worth protesting? Is it worth protesting Strongly? So where does one draw the line: Chillul Shabbos is OK but pornography not? Who is to determine where the line is drawn?<br />I have a few more questions if you would be interested in the dialogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-36802100180868836622013-07-07T01:59:12.012-04:002013-07-07T01:59:12.012-04:00The Chazon Ish? That Hareidi extremist you bring a...The Chazon Ish? That Hareidi extremist you bring a raya from? I mean the Chazon Ish wrote to HaRav Wassermann in 5695, “Zionism, which was clothed in idealism and spirituality has drawn in its wake heretical education and other non-Jewish ways and idolatrous vanities, and those who enter into their company at first, later start worshiping their idols, which touch on all aspects of life” (Kovetz Igros, 111).<br /><br />In his book Maasei Ish, HaRav Tzvi Yabrov quotes HaRav Moshe Sheinfeld in a piercing letter written in 5721 (1961). “I had the privilege of frequently spending time under the wing of our holy rabbi, the Chazon Ish, and from him I acquired my worldview that Mizrachi poses a greater danger than Mapai!” he wrote.<br /><br />Another tremendously divisive antizionist.David Steichernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-36579403758727215212013-07-07T01:26:54.122-04:002013-07-07T01:26:54.122-04:00If you look at the Chazon Ish, he explains that wh...If you look at the Chazon Ish, he explains that when there were open nissim and everybody could see the RBSH's hashgacha, people were allowed to use force, when necessary. But since in the last 2,000 years, the RBSH's face has been hidden, we must only use avosos shel ahava at this time. No physical or verbal violence.Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-75776538642772415542013-07-07T01:19:26.674-04:002013-07-07T01:19:26.674-04:00Dear Barry,
While you're at it, please also w...Dear Barry,<br /><br />While you're at it, please also write a melamed zchus for Pinchos. You know, that zealot who killed a Jew.<br /><br />Well, at least try to find a limud zchus for him. Maybe something along the lines that his Limud Torah was above average. Even if he isn't exactly know for his secular studies prowess.<br /><br />But, still, that killing was a tremendous divisive force.<br />David Steichernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-23052521489212206302013-07-07T01:03:11.844-04:002013-07-07T01:03:11.844-04:00Dear David,
I hope to write a piece, possibly eve...Dear David,<br /><br />I hope to write a piece, possibly even this coming edition, being melamed zchus on Rav Shach, same as I did for Zionists. While I have some major hashkafic differences with Chareidi thought, I will state that the level of learning in Chareidi yeshivos is far higher than in modern ones, no contest. Also, the yiras shamayim and midos are in many cases outstanding. This is why I sent my kids there. If I want that kind of atmosphere, I don't have a choice. But that doesn't mean there aren't serious problems. The fact that, for example, secular studies is so deemphasized, so we see a constant stream of poor meshulachim suffering in heat and bitter cold because they have no training is horrendous. We need to be proud of what the Chareidi world has accomplished, and build on it to iron out the problems. While daf yomi is a tremendous unifying force, antizionism is a tremendously divisive force. I personally can't fit into any label at this point.<br /><br />Hope this clarifies.<br /><br />Kol Tuv,<br /><br />BarryBarrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-10444076610373521792013-07-06T23:44:28.915-04:002013-07-06T23:44:28.915-04:001. Ask him.
2. Someone *constantly* knocking Char...1. Ask him.<br /><br />2. Someone *constantly* knocking Chareidim and all aspects of their way of life, and that constitutes about 90% of his very extensive comments over quit a few years, can hardly describe himself a member of the group his so opposes.David Steichernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-28058664954530798072013-07-06T23:25:01.557-04:002013-07-06T23:25:01.557-04:001. And you know this how?
2. Is there an official...1. And you know this how?<br /><br />2. Is there an official list of parameters that define who is or isn't "Charedi?" Is it not possible for someone who is "Charedi" to criticize "his own?"Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-30821591422437491082013-07-06T23:21:37.969-04:002013-07-06T23:21:37.969-04:00Just a quick correction of some typos:
Moniker of...Just a quick correction of some typos:<br /><br />Moniker of "Pashuteh Yid".David Steichernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425001.post-55236302725978811152013-07-06T23:15:20.643-04:002013-07-06T23:15:20.643-04:00The self-identified description by Barry calling h...The self-identified description by Barry calling himself Chareidi is utterly laughable. Barry has been posting on The Yeshiva World and the YWN Coffee Room under the nom de plume monker of "Pahuteh Yid" for years. And one constant recurring theme of his has been his constant bashing of anything and everything Chareidi.David Steichernoreply@blogger.com