Monday, December 26, 2005

Sea Walls — Eruvin 87a

Sea Walls — Eruvin 87a


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From The Contemporary Eruv:
In the last decade of the seventeenth century, we find the Chacham Tzvi (§5 and §37) addressing the possibility that natural walls, such as the canals surrounding The Hague in Holland, or even the cliffs surrounding the entire British isle, might constitute an eruv. While he rejected the latter possibility, he did accept the former possibility.

An issue concerning the use of lake/seashores or river/canal banks, raised by the Rama (Orach Chaim 363:29), is that even where the shores or banks are sufficiently steep to form a halachic wall when the eruv is first put into effect, they may later be obliterated by a build-up of sediment. There was also concern that the river may freeze. Where, however, the wall above the highest tide is sufficient to meet the minimum standards, neither of these two concerns would impede upon the incorporation of the banks in an eruv (Mishna Berura 363:121). The Tikvas Zecharia (pp. 14-22) maintains - and musters significant evidence to support his position - that the concern over build-up of sediment is only a problem when parts of the shore or bank comprising the halachic wall are at or near the water line. Where, however, the entire portion of the shore or bank comprising the halachic wall is safely above the water line, the concern is not relevant and need not be taken into account. This is the prevalent view - see Mishna Berura, ibid. and Nesivos Shabbos 15:10 and note 25. The Mishna Berura also notes that most sources raise the concern of sediment only when discussing seashores, not riverbanks. In discussing riverbanks, however, they are concerned only with freezing. A great river such as the Mississippi, however, may be more similar in these respects to a sea (although the Tikvas Zecharia, p. 56, does not entertain that possibility). (There were Poskim who permitted one side of an eruv to consist of a seashore or riverbank, if the other three were bona fide walls or tzuros ha'pesach - see No’am, ibid., pp. 214-217, and Nesivos Shabbos, ibid.) We should note that the eruv in Manhattan did include banks and shores that were not of sufficient halachic height above the waterline, and that other rationales were necessary to allow leniency there. See No’am, ibid., pp. 213-217. See also Hilchos Eruvin by Rabbi Elimelech Lange (Yerushalayim, 1972) 3:8-12.

7 comments:

  1. The eruv in Sydney makes use of the cliff walls that surround the coast. In fact the the majority of the Eruv consists of proper walls and not just the telephone poles. I doubt many eruvs around the world would have that characteristic. R' Eider said if I recall correctly that it is one of the most beautiful eruvs he has seen.

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  2. And if an ‘eiruv is made including the bank of a river of sufficient height and slope, but then there's an unusually-high water level, even a flood?

    Would that just make the ‘eiruv temporarily 'down', the same as if one of the strings of a tzurat hapetahh came loose?

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  3. It would seem that the eruv would indeed by down under such circumstances.

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  4. I believe that you are mistaken. Manhattan was encompassed by mechitzos (b’y’dai adam) which were above the waterline accept for a few pirtzos (see Divrei Menachem, vol. 2 O.C. siman 21).

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  5. Sorry if my question was unclear...

    In such a case, the ‘eiruv would be considered temporarily down, correct? The unusual rise in water level wouldn't invalidate the entire slope or sea-wall melekhatehhila?

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  6. So, how high does the seawall need to be, and can part of it be underwater?

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