In my response to the email at the bottom of this post, I was mattir. My correspondent cites the basis of the Machmirim. I would like to add that SSK classifies a graf shel rei'i as a kli she'melachto l'heter.
1. The garbage remains a graf shel rei'i - it may be carried from the cabinet inside the kitchen to another location when necessary. 2. I don't understand why this is a situation that requires tiltul min ha'tzad. That is very specific to peels and shells. Can you not bring a trash bag to a table in order to fill it up? IIRC, a graf shel rei'i does not require tiltul min ha'tzad. 3. This business of the fridge door is also mind-boggling. The opening of the fridge door is not a case of tiltul, but of opening a door. What's in the door is meaningless. (The cabinet with the garbage might be different, since you are opening it specifically for the garbage.) 4. I don't understand RSBC's sugggestion - putting something non-muktza in a garbage would generally make it ma'us and garbage in and of itself! KT, GS, YGB XXX YYY wrote:
concerning the second heter in the shmiras shabbos, I dont think it is comparable to kli shemalachto l'issur because once the garbage is in the can it is no longer considered graf shel re'ey so it no longer has a heter tiltul, and therefore the can itself will not have a heter tiltul. I spoke with my chavrusa concerning the first heter and he told me that the shalmei yehuda quotes rav b__ z__ that it is assur to lchatchila create a situation that would require you to rely on tiltul muktza min hatzad. He said that Rabbi S__'s told him that Rav Elyashiv said that one should make sure not to have any muktza items on a fridge door for this same reason. See the end of Tosfos (shabbos 123a). R'simcha Bunim Cohen does not mention the issue of creating a situation of tiltul min hatzad but suggests that one should open the cabinet with his foot or place something non-muktza in the garbage. Rabbi S__ apparently said that he does not know why RSBCohen was not concerned with the tiltul muktza issue but he told my chavrusa he could rely on it anyway. kol tuv, Netanel