Rabbi Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer
הרב יוסף גבריאל בקהופר
Who is Reb Birmbaum Arguing with?
Meaning who is Rabbi BAskt?
Second question, what are they arguing about (for us non-yiddish speakers)
Are You Orthodox and do you live in israel?
R' Leib Bakst, zt'l, Rosh Yeshiva in Detroit for many, many years (read the kesuvah at my wedding).I am Orthodox, but do not live in EY.They seem to be arguing about Mego.
I was not refering to you with the question of orthodoxy but to Rael Levinsohn
You have no right being at MTA with your anti RZ anti RAL shilta preaching. Many parents complained about going to ohr somaych will you should be at chaim berlin or kol yackov. We want our kids to be frum RZ not agudah we aware of what you are trying to do I read your views on RZ and i can throw upI cry that you are at MTA this is the downfall of mo having you teach our students about rav Shachztl instead of RYBS, RAS shilita If you daven in a shul that does not say the misb for the IDF shame on you you will have to answer to hashem you have no bussiness being at MTA Achdus with hesder
when ivisted ohr somyach they told me that being a RZ is treif so i guess RHS shilta is treif why dont you take your monsey friends to visit yu oh they wont come ohr somyach hates yu and so do you even though that is wear your check is from we want frum rz role models not one who left our derech and thinks its treif shame on mta shame on yu
1. I do not know what makes you think I am anti-RZ! Ask my talmidim, they will tell you that I am very fond of RZ. I have certain differences of opinion with certain elements of RZ - mostly because I am closer to RAL's Dovishness than RZYHK's Hawkishness! My TIDE approach is also more in line with RAL's Torah im English Lit than RDLL's Torah im Hard Sciences.2. I don't believe parents complained about our going to OS. There is no greater experience of Kiddush Hashem, inspiration and humility than contact with the OS talmidim, and it is an awesome validation of what we teach for our talmidim to see that it has a real koach hamshocho for intelligent, educated and sincere "outsiders"! I certainly hope that you will explain that to anyone who might "complain"!3. You really don't know me, if you can actually write that I teach about Rav Schach rather than RYBS! Your ta'anos really have nothing to do with reality. But I am going to ask my MTA talmidim to have a look at this shakla v'tarya and have a good laugh.
4. I do not believe anyone in OS told you RZ is treif - perhaps you spoke to some visitor from the broader community who happens to learn there. They do not believe that and therefore would not say it.5. Many of my talmidim who were formerly at OS are now at YU, and often come back "home" to visit OS. You are simply not in touch with reality. The Rabbeim at OS are just so above and beyond such pettiness as you manifest that you cannot be massig!
6. Both Reb Herschel Schachter and Reb Mordechai Willig are among the Gedolim in North America. I would love to be meshaddech with either of them! Want to set it up? ;-)
You have no right being at MTA with your anti RZ anti RAL shilta preaching.RYGB is noy anti RZ. I can tell you his for a fact. I know him very well from my years spent in his Daf Yomi Shiur.RYGB is a unique individual who brings more to the table than most Mechnchim. He attracted a huge number of Dafyomi 'students' here in Chicago - myself among them. I had the priviledge and pleasure of going to his Shiur daily for 11 years as did others.... we had among us as fellow students Rabbi Yechiel Eckstien. He is hardly a Charedi. So too did several leaders of Miizrachi here. So too did we have some Charedim who learned in the Mir. And some hugely succesful Vaaleo Batim, names you'd recognize in he world of Jewish philanthropy. We had Baalei Battim of every level of knowledge and Hashkafa who came just so they could learn from this Rav who is so highly knowledgable in so many subjects. His father wears a Kipah Serugah as does his father in law. His early education was in HANC. He attended Shalavim. He also attended Yeshovis Mir. He is about as well rounded as any Mechanech can be and MTA is LUCKY to have him.So before you make any more ridiculous accusations about him, please do some research.
chuckl chucklfirst i must admit to disagreeing with rav bechofer on many hashkafik issues, mainly those which fall along brisker/misnagdut v. chasidut. However, assuming rz stands for religious zionism i fail to remember our views clashing in the slightest (i am a religious zionist in case anyone was wondering)that being said i must first muse at a trend i have only recently become truely aware of.while i have read about it in numerous articles i find it a bit bemusing to notice that people are really much more ferocious and indiscreet online than they are off. it would be extreemly unlikely for anyone of the annonymoses to not only say what they have in verbal conversation but furthermore they would hardly cognize their positions in such radical manners. it would seem that everyone deals with absolutes online. and to quote Obi-Wan "only a sith deals in absolutes]
I am happy to hear this. i am talking about OZ in Israel I left and went to Machon Meir. You know that on YH nothing their not even a shiur. I will let the parents know. When the time comes to send my kids to MTA I went them to be frum RZ not agudah. I grew up in brookykn and that is another story. We have no tannas with a stronger commitment to halacha like RHS RMW but our red line is RZ We have family in hesder and I am sorry but the charedi world doest not respect them or our haskafa. I am a graduate from mta and parents asked me to speak out some rabbis were mentioned. Please dont tell me that OS RZ is UTJ and Yated Neeman and an agudah perspective on the state that is not what we want. You know what I mean. RZ from a centrist prespective. I am sorry but i will be blint in OS they are not saying the MISB for the IDF. My wifes uncle who had two frum frum boys in leb two years ago walked into a charedi shul to ask them to say the mishb. They did not hear from their boys for two weeks they refused (many of the chardim in the shule were upset that they did not say it) but most did not care yo comfort them or the worried mother. We took them to a chabid shul were the rabbi not mo happly said it and give a puplic bracha to the family. This is our red line.I am sure RHS, RMW, RGoldvict would say iy I am not sure about you and others in MTA and this will not stand. BTHWY you know that R.YOSEF tells shuls to say it during the week day and on shabbat do not tell me he is rwrz. I am sure in oos they are not saying it an do not confuse the kids it is because they are anti rz and so is the shul you daven in
p.s. when i said anonymouses i just meant the anti rygb one
That being said I aplogize (just because someones father weres a knitted kippah means nothing. The charedi world is stached with ex Rz look what is happening to us) anyway RHM shilta is a great person and I have great respect for him so if he says you are kosher it is okay with us. Talmidim should always defend their rebbi and more yu guys should defend theirs RHSetc and not cower under right wing attacks when it comes to hallel on YH support for the medinah, parayer for it and its soilders going to the parade I have seen with my own eyes people from yu cower and give in to these attacks especially in brooklyn. We RZs do not give do no waver our derech is in the torah just ask RHS. BTWY I am not sure he is close to RAL on RZ. I stand corrected and based on the estmed RHM I ask for you for forgivness I will donate to the Yeshiva in Siderot in your zechus.BTHY R Tzvi Yehduah ztl was a great gadol who needs to be respected. After Machon I spent some time in merkaz and they are torah scholars to.
To MTA boy remember your derech. Remember boys in Israel in a school like MTA are plainning to go to hesder or mechinah. Some chas v shalom will die. You will learn in EY while they are watching over you and all the other yeshivas including the edah i have been to the charedi world brookln, tel stone, passiac, monsey meah sherim. They will never feelk the pain or worry of a DL mother like my aunt. The last time i saw my wifes cousin before LEB he was learning a CI safere he has 7 children and learned in one og the best hesders he was doing his reserve duty which chardim do not do he voulntred for a top compat unit I asked him why I told him get out of it!! He told me someone has to protect the jewish children!! I asked him to think about his own frum kids with peyos RGB!! He did not answer him. After the war he was almost killed many times he unf. killed many hezb. He told me that his rav told him certain tefflias and torah to think about in combat all he could thimk about was his torah and hashem and jewish children. THIS IS THE KIND OF JEW THAT THEY REFUSE TO SAY THE MISHB FOR BECAUSE OF POLITICS AND HATRED THIS SHOULD BE OUR RE LINE.ENOUGH SAID Iam sorry to the rabbi
I was once by RZYHK for Shalesh-Seudos when he read out loud the depiction written by the Alsheich Ha'K' of the Seder in which the Maggid spoke mitoch gerono of the Mechaber and told them to move to EY. It was an awe-inspiring experience, and the fact that it was shemitta and that as a talmid of Shaalvim I would not eat from heter mechira and therefore could not eat at RZY's table does not detract from that recollection. We of MTA and of OS are broad-minded and are inspired by Ovdei Hashem of all derachim.
Whatever your motive is for giving to Sderot, give much and give often. Besides the greatness of the cause itself, the Rosh Yeshiva, Reb Dovid Fendel, is a close friend of mine since kindergarten. We were in school together in HANC, Sha'alvim and the Mir in Yerushalayim, learned Shabbos b'Shabboso for many years every Shabbos with his father Gemara b'Iyun rav in the alte heim of West Hempstead, NY, learned for semicha together, etc., etc. Alav ne'emar secharo harbei me'od al pi po'olo!
Since when is MTA open to all derech it is a RZ school yes or no I do not think you speak for MTA haskafahs. BTWY did yiu ask RSZA if yiu could eat fron his table my charedi cousin in ramot polin told me that if he visits his family's house he could eat the heter but you did not respond to my comments and os is nkot open it is charedi who goes to hesder from osread my respose in the movie log
you did not respond to the tiflah for the idf i know you do not believe in it i have been in your world a long time
Mta Bochur where are you? do you not feel the oain of a jewish soilder RHS does he dances with them in isreal frum not frum supports the army where are the charedi rabbis dancing with the soilders where are the charedi boys not learning in Charedi Nachal I have been in the charedi world not all 50,oo boys are full time learners some roam the streats some want to serve but the charedi gedolim not our gedolim tell them never join the zionist army in nachal charedi i know for a fact a girl is not allowed within a mile from the base ask RHS he visted there. We are not them I see my cousins I daven for them the chardin have no one in the army your rebbi will not respond that why? Some of My Mta classmates dead hesder? Rschach belives that they are not real yeshiva students. A rebbi at my charedi school told me that they are not yeshiva boys because they wear sandals Say the tiflah for them Not just Psalms the MISH. do not give in to agudah we can not say for the soilders only we say also for the baker in mear sherim that is why we can not say the "zionist MisB" Stay with us make us stronger be a ben torah but be a Proud RZ we need you we have too many NI and YU right types in passiac who say nothing. We need you to be a role model wear a knitted kippah to show achdus with your hesder brothers. A knitted kippah is not a dirty word
In terms of the tifilah, I don't know what Rebbi's shul does. However, when Rebbi ran a minyan on a shiur shabbason (that's my transliteration, not his), he said the Tfillah for the IDF.
did you read my comments keep learning and be proud of your derech ask RHS about the tiflah for the medinah also one can take out the part they object to and still say it or one can be like Rav NEB and say it should become or I believ this is what rav moshe said keep learning we need strong RZ boys to be our leaders do not turn your back on mizrachi RYBS shilta took big hits in the charedi world for his stance be like joseph Ask RHS, RMW and R goldvict about the praye for the state in monsey they do not say it maybe in the gadol R Afled Cohens Shiur who I know quite well
MtA bochur check out my comments in the movie link as well
As I frequently tell my talmidim (not quite in this language, but in the general direction), *none* of us should be terribly proud of the segmented fragment of Orthodoxy with which we respectively affiliate. We are all colossal failures! We are all asid litein es ha'din for insufficient Kiddush Hashem.
that just means to give up on the rz derech the charedi world will never respect it that is why you can not say a tiflah for the idf much less in monsey the mta boys should be the leaders of centrist rz in america where i line know and where i came from the rihgt wing will not daven in our shuls and one rabbi was a student of RMW and one was a student od RHS it is hard to have achdus when my son is going to do hesder and the charedi boy is going to kollel all 50,000 of them Mta boy wait to you hace cildren maybe you will become chardi and not care. RGB I was spit at in brooklyn for being a Rz and fighting for the MISB and our derech I expect no less from mta otherwise you will have fewer and fewer students you see as the Yu rght becomes charedi for theie children they do not want to sent their kids to mta, darchei torah, chefetz chain yeshiva ged in passic so people like me are left our tution dollar speaks is mta going to produce from rz like rgoldvict or chardim time will tell
MTA bOYS DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE GEDOLIM I MENTIONED IN THE MOVIE LINK IF NOT WHY NOT? IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEN KAVOD WHO WILL? JUST ME and THE HESDER WORLD
MTA BOY I was A LION. DO not let the turn you inti anti rz Chardeim There is nothing wrong with the tiflah for the medniah ask RHS, RMW Rgolvict these are your leaders not lakewwod, not os, not agudah, RHS is the posek ask himI will pass on going to os I have a chavrousah when your kids go to mta then we will talk it is just human nature to believe our way is wrong when you are chardei and live in the holy land of monsey same place like brooklyn the only Israeli flag their the one on Rtendlers shul. Did you teach your shiur what RYSBztl said abour the flag as opposed to agudah at their convention if you did not why not? ash RHS anout that and not your monsy friend or Rsmiller from canada "The RCA are worse than theMIZ" Rav Blau Shilta is the head of MIZ so was the RAVZTL Your books have haskomahs from him not from RHS if you sre like RMiller you have no bussiness teaching MTA boys. I and many like me will never respect him or people like him I know quite alot of people in canada and he thinks rz is treif BTHWY Rav Jachter is torah scolar who helped many woman get kosher gittin. Your review of his book was pathetic and full of your ego. Ask RHs and RMW about him. Any one that needs an eruv should ask him a mo posek. We should follow our own
I wii go to Os when you go to the miz convention
this was not the way Torah was learned in many places. shouting at one another. does passion and knowledge of Torah militate for yelling? no sale in germany. let this way take over, good bye