I posted the following on the HaEmtza site as part of this discussion. What is your perspective on this?
isn't the problem with "flipping out" not becoming charedi per se and certainly not becoming more meticulous about observance or thoughtful about avodat hashem, but rather an immature approach to one or both of these?
For example, I thought a young person would have "flipped out" who adopts becomes charedi sociologically, without proper guidance from a rabbi and without understanding what he is doing, thinking it is all about politics and sociology. Or a person who comes back after a few years in Israel insisting that his father build a sukka according to the chazon ish's view (which might violate the kavod he is required to have for his father and which might be (or at least appear to be) yuhara in the first place). Or a person who becomes makpid to wear a jacket and looks down on the elderly holocaust survivors in his shul who don't do so.
I have never used the term "flipping out" in conversation, but I have heard it used and I assumed it meant something along these lines. What parent would be upset with their child becoming a lovely God-fearing young adult, irrespective of whether they end up in the mir or YU or Merkaz harav or (not sure I know the names of any chasidic yeshivot) etc.? The problem is an immature personal approach to whatever hashkafic approach one chooses to follow, not the approach itself.
I agree with you in principle, but in practice there are many people who use the term "flipping out" as a pejorative for anyone who grows in Torah and Yiras Shomayim, even if they do so in a mature and thoughtful way.
Looks like the topic could use a shiur. Now that I'm back home I will try to get the online thing figured out soon.
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ReplyDeleteI posted the following on the HaEmtza site as part of this discussion. What is your perspective on this?
isn't the problem with "flipping out" not becoming charedi per se and certainly not becoming more meticulous about observance or thoughtful about avodat hashem, but rather an immature approach to one or both of these?
For example, I thought a young person would have "flipped out" who adopts becomes charedi sociologically, without proper guidance from a rabbi and without understanding what he is doing, thinking it is all about politics and sociology. Or a person who comes back after a few years in Israel insisting that his father build a sukka according to the chazon ish's view (which might violate the kavod he is required to have for his father and which might be (or at least appear to be) yuhara in the first place). Or a person who becomes makpid to wear a jacket and looks down on the elderly holocaust survivors in his shul who don't do so.
I have never used the term "flipping out" in conversation, but I have heard it used and I assumed it meant something along these lines. What parent would be upset with their child becoming a lovely God-fearing young adult, irrespective of whether they end up in the mir or YU or Merkaz harav or (not sure I know the names of any chasidic yeshivot) etc.? The problem is an immature personal approach to whatever hashkafic approach one chooses to follow, not the approach itself.
I agree with you in principle, but in practice there are many people who use the term "flipping out" as a pejorative for anyone who grows in Torah and Yiras Shomayim, even if they do so in a mature and thoughtful way.
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