My essay in the Succot 5774/Fall 2013 issue of
The Journal of Halacha and Contemporary Society
May You Invite For Shabbat
Someone Who May Desecrate the Sabbath
To Attend?
Rabbi Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer
1. The Issue
Is it permissible to invite a person who
does not observe the
Sabbath to come
somewhere on Shabbat
when it is very likely that the person will desecrate the
Sabbath in order to
get there? Does the purpose of the invitation make a difference?
2. Rabbi Moshe Feinstein
In
1956, Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan1
sent a query to Rabbi Moshe Feinstein: Some members of the community
wanted to create an educational prayer
service for children
that would take place on Shabbat.
However, it was clear that the children who lived at a distance from
the synagogue would be driven there. Was it permissible to institute
this prayer
service?
Rabbi
Feinstein2
responds that it is clearly not permissible for the children – even
if they are not yet of Bar Mitzvah
age – to be driven to the prayer
service,
for education
in the area of prayer
certainly does not take priority over education
in the area of Sabbath
observance!
Moreover, continues Reb Moshe, instituting such a prayer
service
is tantamount to directing the children to come to pray there despite
the
desecration
of the Shabbath
that is involved. Therefore, writes Reb Moshe, Rabbi Kaplan should
not consent to the institution of this prayer
service,
which will not constitute education
in
mitzvah
observance – but, on the contrary – education
in the opposite direction.
Reb
Moshe acknowledges that Rabbi Kaplan's options are limited to verbal
protestations, and that in all likelihood the community will
disregard Rabbi Kaplan's objections and institute this destructive
prayer
service
that will harm the cause of Sabbath
observance.
Nevertheless, writes Reb Moshe, Rabbi Kaplan should consistently
expound on the severity of desecrating the
Sabbath.
Moreover, if at any time an opportunity to cancel the prayer
service
arises, Rabbi Kaplan should take advantage of that opportunity.
Furthermore, so long as the prayer
service
does
exist, Rabbi Kaplan should speak with each one of the children
individually and try to get them to come by foot, as perhaps such
efforts might prove effective with some of the children. In this way,
concludes Reb Moshe, Rabbi Kaplan will fulfill the mitzvah of
tochachah,
remonstrating with a person who is committing a transgression,3
and instruction.
3.
Lifnei Iver
Earlier,
in 1953, Rabbi Feinstein was asked by Rabbi Naftoli Carlebach of
Detroit if the prohibition of Lifnei
Iver
– placing a stumbling block before a blind man4
– pertains to a scenario in which one invites people to come to
pray in a synagogue on Shabbat
knowing that they will come by car and thus desecrate the Sabbath.
Before
proceeding to Reb Moshe's responsum, let us briefly review the
parameters of Lifnei
Iver.
The Rabbis understand the verse as a metaphor, and that its import is
a prohibition to give misleading advice (to “place a stumbling
block”) to an unsuspecting individual (“before a blind man”).5
They further understand that the Torah here is prohibits a person to
facilitate the commission of a transgression by another person. The
Torah itself, however, only prohibits such facilitation in cases in
which the sinner could not have committed the transgression without
that facilitation. Where the sinner could have committed the
transgression in any event, then the individual who facilitates the
commission of the transgression violates a Rabbinic prohibition, that
of mesayei'a
yedei ovrei aveirah
– assisting those who commit transgressions.6
4. Proselytizing
Reb
Moshe7
responded to Rabbi Carlebach that on account of Lifnei
Iver it
is certainly forbidden to invite individuals who live far away (i.e.,
so that they cannot possibly come to the synagogue without
desecrating the Sabbath). Moreover, continues Reb Moshe, there is an
even worse prohibition involved here, as the person issuing the
invitation may be categorized as a Meisit,
a person who proselytizes another person (or persons) to commit a
transgression. Reb Moshe acknowledges that the Meisit
described in the Torah8
is a person who specifically proselytizes another person to commit
idolatry. Nevertheles, asserts Reb Moshe, the severity of the
prohibition, the divine punishment it entails, and the unique law
that proscribes defending a Meisit
in
court9
– all these parameters also pertain to an individual who
proselytizes another individual to commit any
transgression. As evidence to this understanding, Reb Moshe cites a
Gemara10
in which Rav Shmuel bar Nachman states in the name of Rabbi Yonatan
that the law proscribing the defense of a Meisit
in
court is derived from the case of the serpent in the Garden of Eden.
In that case, a case may have been made on behalf of the serpent that
he should not be held responsible for Adam's sin. After all, when a
Master (in this case, Hashem)
and a disciple (in this case, the serpent) issue an individual
conflicting orders, whose order should the individual obey? Surely
that of the Master! Why then, should the serpent have been held
responsible for Adam's sin? That such a defense was not mounted on
the serpent's behalf, posits Rabbi Yonatan, indicates that we are
proscribed from the defense of a Meisit
in court. Reb Moshe posits that the transgression that the serpent
proselytized Adam and Eve to commit was not one of idolatry, but that
of eating from the Tree of Knowledge. We thus see that a person who
proselytizes another person to commit any
transgression falls into the category of a Meisit.11
Therefore, while the death penalty specified in the Torah only
pertains to the case of a person who proselytizes another person to
commit idolatry, the other parameters apply to any case of
proselytizing.
Reb
Moshe further posits that the prohibition of Lifnei
Iver
even pertains to the individuals who do not live so far away that
they would have to drive to the synagogue (evidently because they
would not have committed the transgression if the invitation had not
been issued), and it is only the characterization of Meisit
that
does not pertain in their case.
What
if the synagogue does not word the promotion of its services as an
invitation, but rather as a generic notice – intended primarily for
those who live nearby – announcing the existence of a prayer
service,
and that prizes would be distributed to anyone who attends? Reb Moshe
states that if it known that those who live further away will also
come – by car – then although the characterization of Meisit
does
not pertain, it is unclear whether Lifnei
Iver
does pertain, or not (i.e., whether an announcement is tantamount to
an invitation). Accordingly, writes Reb Moshe, it must be specified
in the notice that prizes will only be distributed to individuals who
come in a permissible manner – viz., by foot.12
5. Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach
In 1988, Rabbi Michael Schoen of
Yeshivat Ohr Somayach in Jerusalem asked Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach
to clarify the parameters of a prayer
service targeted at individuals who are not observant with the
goal of bringing them to Torah and mitzvot.
Reb Shlomo Zalman13
prefaces his rulings with the statement that he is basing them on
Rabbi David Zvi Hoffman's14
compendium of the position taken by many great Halachic authorities –
viz., that people who desecrate the Sabbath in our time are treated
as tinokot she'nishbu, as if they were children who were taken
into captivity at an early age, and therefore grew up ignorant of
Judaism – including the laws of Shabbat
and their severity. Accordingly, they are not culpable for
desecrating the Sabbath to the same extent as an individual who is
knowledgeable and observes the Sabbath. Reb Shlomo Zalman also
clarifies that the following rulings are based on the purpose of the
prayer service – viz., the
sacred goal of bringing those who are far from Judaism close to Torah
and the awe of Heaven.
Reb Shlomo Zalman then specifies four
parameters:
- It is permissible to invite an individual who lives at a distance from the prayer service's location, so long as he is offered a place to stay over Shabbat that is within walking distance of the prayer service. Once the offer is made, even if the individual declines the offer, it is not necessary to tell him to refrain from attending the prayer service. Moreover, it is not necessary to tell him that he may not arrive by car.
- The parking lot of the location in which the prayer service takes place must be closed throughout Shabbat and/or Yom Tov.
- It is preferable not to count an individual who still desecrates the Sabbath in public towards the quorum of ten men.
- So long as there is a quorum of ten people who observe the Sabbath present – not including those who still desecrate the Sabbath in public – it is permissible to grant aliyot (the honor of reciting the blessings before and after a Torah portion is read) to the individuals who do not observe the Sabbath, and also to allow any of them who are Kohanim to bless the congregation when the priestly blessing is recited.15
6. Rabbi Shmuel Halevi Wosner
Rabbi Shmuel Halevi Wosner differs with
Reb Shlomo Zalman on two accounts.
In regard to the application of the
category of tinokot she'nishbu in our day, Rabbi Wosner16
writes that it only applies to children who were born to parents
who were apostates. Such children are
treated as oness – compelled – not to accept
mitzvot upon themselves.17
Rabbi Wosner includes within this category children who were raised
in an environment of non-Jews, or of Jews who have cast off the yoke
of Torah and mitzvot. These
children, therefore, neither heard of – nor accepted – neither
Torah, nor mitzvot, nor
belief in the primary principles of Judaism.
This definition obviously circumscribes
severely the number of people who can be classified as tinokot
she'nishbu. Accordingly, most of the people that would be invited
to a prayer service or to a
meal on Shabbat are as
culpable for desecrating the Sabbath as any knowledgeable people who
observe the Sabbath.
Rabbi Wosner subsequently18
writes that it is forbidden to issue a Shabbat
invitation to a person who desecrates the Shabbath
if it clear that he will drive to the location to which he is
invited. Rabbi Wosner writes that this sometimes entails the
prohibition of Lifnei Iver on a scriptural level, and other
times on a rabbinical level.
In a subsequent responsum,19
Rabbi Wosner writes that regardless of the issue of Lifnei Iver,
there are additional issues of desecrating Hashem's name
(Chillul Hashem) and rendering assistance to those who commit
transgressions (mesayei'a overei aveirah). Therefore there is
no choice other than to either refrain from issuing invitations, or
to specify that the recipient may not accept the invitation if he
will not come to the location on foot.
7. A Different Form of Lifnei Iver
All of the aforementioned authorities
touch on the issue of Lifnei Iver as it pertains to the
prohibition of desecrating the Sabbath.
However, there is a very different form
of Lifnei Iver that needs to be taken into account as well.
Reb Shlomo Zalman20
begins a responsum on the topic of putting food and drink out in
honor of a guest that you know will not make a blessing before eating
or drinking as follows (free translation):
In that which every person must assess
his conduct and direct his deeds for the sake of Heaven. These are my
thoughts concerning the case of a person is visited by a
distinguished guest who does not observe Torah and mitzvot,
but still harbors a love of Torah-true Jews, and also supports Torah
institutions, etc. whom the host knows will not make a blessing on
his own over the food. Moreover, if the host asks his guest – even
in a dignified manner – to wash his hands and recite a blessing,
the guest will perceive the request as an affront and an insult to
his honor, and will become very annoyed. Yet, on the other hand, if
on account of the prohibition against giving food to someone who will
not wash and pronounce a blessing,21
a host does not conduct himself with the common courtesy of offering
his guest something to eat and drink, it is possible that the guest
will, Heaven forfend, become even more distant from Torah. Moreover,
as a result, he may become angry and hateful towards all those who
walk in the Torah's ways. In such circumstances, I believe that, in
truth, it is proper for the host to honor the guest with food and
drink. The host need not concern himself with the prohibition of
Lifnei Iver. For although we do not instruct a person to
commit a minor violation so as to save other persons from a major
prohibition...22
Nevertheless, this case is unique, since the only prohibition
preventing the host from honoring his guest with food and drink is
the potential sin of “placing a stumbling block before him.” But
a host does not honor his guest with food and drink will cause the
guest to commit an even greater violation!23
Accordingly, by honoring the guest with food and drink the host
commits no violation – since in extending the food and drink he is
not placing a stumbling block before the guest. On the contrary, by
actively placing a smaller stumbling block before him, the host is
saving the guest from a very great stumbling block.
At the end of the responsum Reb Shlomo
Zalman gives an analogy: Just as a person who amputates his friend's
toe so as to save his friend's entire arm is not regarded as harming
his friend, but as healing him – and is not considered as having a
committed a sin, but as having performed a mitzvah – so too in our
case, the host is not considered to be tripping the guest up. On the
contrary, he is saving the guest from the severe sin of hating the
Torah and those who study it.
8. The Chazon Ish
In a footnote, Reb Shlomo Zalman notes
that the Chazon Ish24
suggests a similar line of reasoning – albeit he only applies it to
a case in which the person in question may commit a violation,
not one in which he will definitely commit a violation.
The issue the Chazon Ish deals
with is the rule that prohibits certain forms of commerce with a
person who is suspect on the laws of Shemittah, the Sabbatical
year. The law25
is that it is not permitted to sell wine-barrels to a person who is
engaged in commerce of wine that has been illegally hoarded during
Shemittah (meshumar), on account of Lifnei Iver.
However, if a person is only suspected of engaging in such commerce,
it is permitted to sell him wine-barrels. This holds true even in a
case in which his commerce involves a large quantity of wine – even
though the large quantity makes it a reasonable possibility that some
of the wine in question is illegally hoarded Shemittah produce
– so long as the issue remains in doubt. The Chazon Ish
explains that if we were to be stringent in such circumstances, we
would be putting a stumbling block in place for ourselves and for the
others, for we would be curtailing our mutual benevolence and our
mutual sustaining of the lives and of the peace of our brethren who
are engaged in the commerce, who are – at worst – Amei
Ha'Aretz (ignoramuses). whom we are obligated both to sustain,
and to treat with benevolence – and certainly not to bring to
greater detestation and animosity. Curtailing commerce in these
circumstances would bring both sides to violate Lo Tisna (the
prohibition to detest another Jew) and other prohibitions that are no
less severe than the prohibition of Lifnei Iver that we are
trying to prevent!26
Accordingly, continues the Chazon Ish, our sages carefully
balanced the extent to which we should penalize those who violate the
laws of Shemittah and disassociate from them, with the extent
to which we should not place both before them and before ourselves
even greater stumbling blocks. The balance that the sages decided
upon was to forbid the sale of wine-barrels to a person who is
definitely engaged in commerce with illegally hoarded wine,
and to permit the sale when the wine may have been illegally
hoarded.27
9. Revisiting the Stringent Position
and a Possible Reconciliation of the Perspectives
It is a common practice to try to
reconcile positions that seem to be in conflict. On the basis of the
insights we have gained both from Reb Shlomo Zalman's latter
responsum and from the analysis of the Chazon Ish, perhaps we
can go back to re-examine the rulings of Reb Moshe and Rabbi Wosner
and make an attempt at reconciling the varying positions that the
authorities take on this issue.
Let us put the two cases addressed by
Reb Moshe in their proper context – viz., the prevailing conditions
in the America of the 1950s, well before the advent of systematic
attempts to bring Jews who are distant from observance to Torah and
mitzvot (Kiruv Rechokim). Moreover, let us revisit the
circumstances of both inquiries – viz., situations in which the
entire purpose of the prayer
serviceim in question was to promote and popularize
prayer. There was no thought to use these services as stepping stones
towards greater commitment and observance. Indeed, as Reb Moshe
notes, by placing the value of these prayer
services above the value of Sabbath
observance, their implementation might be regarded as a form
of proselytization away from Torah-true Judaism. It goes without
saying that they were certainly “stumbling blocks” and violations
of the prohibition of Lifnei Iver..
The case addressed by Rabbi Wosner may
also be placed in a similar context: The circumstances as he
describes are those of social invitations, not invitations issued
with the intent of bringing the guests to greater commitment and
observance.
On the other hand, in the case described
in Reb Shlomo Zalman's former responsum the explicit purpose of the
prayer service is to serve
as a stepping stone towards greater commitment and observance. In a
manner similar to that described by the Chazon Ish, Reb Shlomo
Zalman carefully balances the reduction of the probability of a
violation taking place (by the offer of a place to stay over Shabbat)
– thus “downgrading” a definite Lifnei Iver to a
doubtful one – with the concern with the potential of committing a
greater, opposite Lifnei Iver by alienating the
not-yet-observant individual by pressing the issue. Moreover, since
the purpose of the invitation is to bring the participants in the
prayer service to Torah and
mitzvot, such invitations – even according to Reb Moshe –
cannot be regarded as proselytizing away from observance, but
towards observance.
A similar rule of thumb would apply to
invitations to Shabbat
meals: If they are intended for the purpose of bringing those who
are invited to Torah and mitzvot, and an offer of a place to stay
over Shabbat is extended to them,
they would not be categorized as desecrations of Hashem's name
but rather as sanctifications of Hashem's name (Kiddush
Hashem), leading ultimately to enhanced
Sabbath observance.28
1At
the time, the later-to-become-legendary Rabbi Kaplan was teaching at
Eliyahu Academy, the (now defunct) non-orthodox community day school
in Louisville, KY. (There also existed at the time a Orthodox day
school called Talmud Torah). Accordingly, he assumed that his
students would come by car on Shabbat
(http://meirweiss.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/lost-aryeh-kaplan-part-3-2/).
2Iggerot
Moshe 1:98. The responsum is
entitled, “Ba'alei Battim
who want to institute a prayer
service for
children's education [chinuch
ha'yeladim], and it is clear
they will come by car on Shabbat.”
3See
Sefer HaChinuch and Minchat Chinuch mitzvah 239.
4Vayikra
19:14.
5Sifra
de-vei Rav, Kedoshim 2:14.
6See
Avodah Zarah 6b. See also
Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim
163:2; Yoreh Deah
160:1 and 240:20 and Choshen Mishpat
70:1.
7Iggerot
Moshe 1:99. The responsum is
entitled: “A clarification of the prohibition to invite people to
come pray in a synagogue on Shabbat
when it is known that they will come by car.”
8Devarim
13:7.
9See
Sefer HaChinuch
and Minchat Chinuch
mitzvah 462.
10Sanhedrin
29a.
11See,
however, Margaliyot HaYam
ad loc. #25 who infers from the language of Rashi
that the serpent was, in fact, proselytizing for idolatry, and how
this may be the import of the serpent's seductive suggestion: And
you shall be as the Lord
(Bereishit 3:5).
12Reb
Moshe then addresses an inquiry by Rabbi Carlebach as to whether he
should resign his membership in this synagogue – in which many of
the individuals who come to pray do not conduct themselves
appropriately. (While in Detroit, Rabbi
Carlebach was primarily an educator in
Yeshiva Beth Yehudah. For a time he also served in the rabbinate,
but he later handed over the rabbinate to his uncle, an elderly
rabbi and a Holocaust survivor with no means of support. Evidently,
by the time he posed this query he was no longer the rabbi of the
synagogue in question, but retained membership in it.)
Reb Moshe responds that in his opinion Rabbi Carlebach should not
resign his membership, but rather remain in order to protest the
improprieties. Reb Moshe advises Rabbi Carlebach not to give up hope
and not to assume that no one will heed his admonitions, as a little
bit of light banishes much darkness. This, however, qualifies Reb
Moshe, is only so long as no change is made in the manner in which
services are conducted. If changes – such as the mechitza
being removed or the manner of prayer or Torah reading being altered
– are made, then all the members who are God-fearing have to
resign their memberships.
13Minchat
Shlomo, first edition, vol. 2,
4:10. This responsum is omitted in subsequent editions of Minchat
Shlomo, but is preserved in
Rivevot Ephraim
7:402. Both responsa are available at hebrewbooks.org.
14Melamed
L'Ho'il 1:29.
15See
also Teshuvot V'Hanhagot
(Sternbuch) 1:358 for similar parameters in the case of a Ba'al
Teshuvah who would like to
invite his parents who are not observant for a meal on Shabbat.
There is a prevalent supposition
that it is customary in Chabad circles to permit such Shabbat
invitations based on the reasoning that since the invited
individuals will drive on the Sabbath in any event, at least let
them drive for a good purpose!
However, this is not the official Chabad position. From two sources
it emerges that the Chabad position is that although a direct
protestation is not called for, the prohibition must be publicized.
In
a 1950 letter to Rabbi Mordechai Fischer of Brantford, ON, the
Lubavitcher Rebbe's personal secretary (my great-uncle) Rabbi Rabbi
Mordechai Hodakov wrote, in the name of the previous Lubavitcher
Rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Schneerson: “Do not cancel the public
classes on Friday night because of the worry maybe someone will
drive, rather since he knows people will drive, he should figure out
a way to teach them the prohibition about it, and encourage them to
stop desecrating the Shabbat” (from
http://www.chabadinfo.com/?url=article_en&id=28210).
In
a 1957 letter, the last Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel
Schneerson, wrote: “[As to] how to remedy what occurred on Simchat
Torah,
that among the participants in the Hakafot
of Yeshiva Ohalei Yosef Yitzchak were individuals who came by car.
The remedy is simple, and it is astonishing that it was not carried
out this year – viz., several days before the holiday notices
should be placed in newspapers... [stating] that
it
is definitely obvious and well known that it is forbidden to travel
by car on the Sabbath and on holidays, and that it is paradoxical to
participate in a Torah event in a manner antithetical to the Torah”
(Likutei Sichot
vol. 34 p. 313).
Why is the reasoning cited above not addressed by the authorities
we have cited in this essay?
The
Gemara in several places (Shabbat
69a; Shevuot
26b) considers the status of a person who is eino
shav me'yedi'ato,
one who does not refrain when he is aware – viz., a person who
committed a transgression inadvertently (shogeig)
that' had he known, he would have committed deliberately (meizid).
The Gemara rules that even if the transgression is one for which a
person who commits it inadvertently would normally bring an
atonement-offering (chatat),
an eino shav me'yedi'ato
may not bring that offering (this is derived from Scripture).
With
the one exception of this restriction barring him from bringing
atonement-offerings, an eino
shav me'yedi'ato is
exactly like any other Jew. Therefore, it seems logical to assume
that all the normal parameters of Lifnei
Iver
apply in the case of an eino
shav me'yedi'ato.
Accordingly, no matter how many transgressions he commits on his own
initiative, it remains forbidden for anyone else to cause him to
commit any additional transgressions.
16Shevet
HaLevi vol. 8, Orach
Chaim 165:1.
17See
Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh Deah
159:3 and 340:5.
18Shever
HaLevi, ibid., 165:6.
19Shevet
HaLevi, ibid., 256:2.
20Minchat
Shlomo 1:35:1.
21Shulchan
Aruch, Orach Chaim 169:2.
22Reb
Shlomo Zalman here gives an example: It is forbidden for one person
to violate the “minor” prohibition against tithing terumah
and ma'aser on
Shabbat
to prevent another person from violating the “major” prohibition
against eating tevel,
untithed produce.
23At
the end of the responsum Reb Shlomo Zalman states the the
prohibition the guest will violate is lo tisna et achicha
b'levavecha, not to hate one's
fellow Jew (Vayikra 19:17).
This is besides
causing the guest to distance himself yet further from Torah and
mitzvot.
24Shevi'it
12:9.
25Mishnah,
Shevi'it 5:7.
26In
a bracketed passage, the Chazon Ish notes
that a similar principle serves as the basis to permit trade with
idolators: Since non-Jews are required to maintain amicable
relations with Jews, if we were not to treat them appropriately we
would be placing a stumbling block before them! The Chazon
Ish goes on to explain the
prohibition on striking one's grown children (Mo'ed Katan
17a) in a similar vein. (See also the Gemara, Chagigah
22a, for a similar Halachic issue in regard to how to relate to an
Am Ha'Aretz – viz.,
whether we accept the testimony of an Am Ha'Aretz
lest we come to animosity.)
27An
apocryphal story is told concerning the famous 1952 visit of Prime
Minister David Ben Gurion to the Chazon Ish.
It is related that the Chazon Ish
faced a quandary similar to the one considered by Reb Shlomo Zalman
– viz., on the one hand, it would not be appropriate to host the
leader of the State of Israel and not honor him with refreshments.
On the other hand, it would probably be considered a faux
pas to ask the prime minister
to pronounce a blessing before partaking of the refreshments! What
was the Chazon Ish to
do?! According to the legend, the Chazon Ish
placed refreshments on the table, but out of Ben Gurion's arm's
reach. He assumed that Ben Gurion would feel it undignified to ask
for the refreshments to be passed to him. In this manner the
conundrum would be resolved: The refreshments would be available, as
befitted the occasion, while the issue of a blessing would be moot,
as the guests would not avail himself of those refreshments!
However, whether the Chazon
Ish did or did not go through
this thought process, the fact is that Ben Gurion himself, in his
diary entry on the meeting, states that it took place at a table
that was completely empty
(http://bengurionblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/blog-post_28.html)!
28Although
not brought up by the authorities that we have cited here, the
principle of “desecrate for him one
Sabbaths
so
that he will come to keep many Sabbaths”
(Yoma
85b) – which pertains both to physical and spiritual crises (see
Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim
306:14
with Magen Avraham ad
loc. #29) – may apply here as well. See also
http://www.vbm-torah.org/halakha/EducationalProgramming.htm
for
different analyses of some of the responsa we have perused.
Fascinating stuff - thank you.
ReplyDeleteYou may want to contact/clarify with Dayan Fuerst in Chicago who explicitly told us Kiruv Rabbis that Rav Moshe forbade extending kiruv invitations for Shabbos where the people would drive. I don't know if he would agree with the maskana.
Rav Dovid Cohen's shittah is like the Rav Shlomo Zalman's.
The Journal discourages authors from referencing verbal sources. I think that is a reasonable stance.
ReplyDeleteVery hard to read,
ReplyDeletecan you post a PDF or a link to larger print ?
yes, please post a pdf...thanks
ReplyDeleteRevised the post to be text rather than a graphic and added a link to a downloadable pdf.
ReplyDeleteVery nice piece. Good work. However, the chiluk regarding Reb Moshe's case and those of the poskim who ruled leniently is somewhat difficult. Did not Reb Moshe know that the ultimate goal was to be mekarev these kids?
ReplyDeleteAlso was not clear to me exactly in what way you feel Rav Wosner's definition of Tinok Shenishba is different than the conventional.
Finally, would this principle of not giving a bad impression of Torah Jews apply to hand-shaking in professional situations?
1. The whole point is that the cases considered by Reb Moshe were NOT cases of kiruv.
ReplyDelete2. According to Rav Wosner, the choild of an average non-Orthodox family would not be considered a tinok she'nishba.
3. Ein omrim l'adam chatei bishvil she'yizkeh chaveiro.
See Rabbi Boruch Oberlander's ma'amarathaoros.com/download.asp?kovetzID=1060&ext=pdf for a suggestion to fend off my difficuty with the LR's approach.
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