Der Alter
The view from Slabodka. Some perspectives from Kelm, Novardock, Telshe and Mir as well.
I don't know if I have an answer that will leave you satisfied. In essence this is the very "tzaddik v'ra lo" question asked by Moshe Rabbeinu, to which Hashem would not give a direct and complete answer. All I can say is that Hashem wants "hamon am" as much as (if not more than) "yechidei segulah," and that their "needs" must be met in a "childish" way.
KT,
YGB
You wrote:
I don't understand if the reason for Hashem punishing us and bringing upon us pain and suffering, more specifically the destruction of the temple and all the bad stuff such as women having to eat their own babies to survive and so on, is not just to punish us and to take vengence upon us, Hashem is not some king or authoritative figure who finds pleasure in hurting us but really wants to have a loving relationship with us and the bottom line for him to have that relationship then whats the point of all the suffering and punishment wouldn't it make more sense that when Jews go away from Hashem and ruin their relationship with him that Hashem should point out that he loves us and cares for us and tells us that we shouldn't give up this great relatinship with him and inform us of the wondeful relationship we giviing up on by doing averos and moving far away from him I don't understand How punishment and making us have pain is going to lead us back to that relationship in fact I think that there is more of a chance for people to say to Hashem that if this is what you do to me I don't want to have a relationship with such a being and leave me alone.I just feel that this approach of punishment and suffering will not accomplish the goal. It seems like Hashem is trying to reestablish his relationship with us through a very childish method cause even if we do give in to the pain and suffering and say ok Hashem you win - I wont do averos anymore and I will have more love for my fellow jew - if we are only doing it as a reaction to the suffering and pain and not because we want that relationship then what is the point of the destruction,pain and suffering after all.
KT,
YGB
You wrote:
I don't understand if the reason for Hashem punishing us and bringing upon us pain and suffering, more specifically the destruction of the temple and all the bad stuff such as women having to eat their own babies to survive and so on, is not just to punish us and to take vengence upon us, Hashem is not some king or authoritative figure who finds pleasure in hurting us but really wants to have a loving relationship with us and the bottom line for him to have that relationship then whats the point of all the suffering and punishment wouldn't it make more sense that when Jews go away from Hashem and ruin their relationship with him that Hashem should point out that he loves us and cares for us and tells us that we shouldn't give up this great relatinship with him and inform us of the wondeful relationship we giviing up on by doing averos and moving far away from him I don't understand How punishment and making us have pain is going to lead us back to that relationship in fact I think that there is more of a chance for people to say to Hashem that if this is what you do to me I don't want to have a relationship with such a being and leave me alone.I just feel that this approach of punishment and suffering will not accomplish the goal. It seems like Hashem is trying to reestablish his relationship with us through a very childish method cause even if we do give in to the pain and suffering and say ok Hashem you win - I wont do averos anymore and I will have more love for my fellow jew - if we are only doing it as a reaction to the suffering and pain and not because we want that relationship then what is the point of the destruction,pain and suffering after all.
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It would seem that al pi derech ha'mussar the question is not "why?" - b'mufla mimcha al tachkor - but "how do we respond?" or, better yet, "what do we learn from it?" And the answer, it would seem - at least in part - is that if our sense of "yosher" is disturbed by "tzadiik v'ra lo," then this too is a message from HKB"H as to what emotions and perspectives are essential for shleymus.