Tuesday, August 10, 2010

"Psak" in "Hashkafah" (or "Aggadah")

I was asked to comment on marei mekomos compiled by a well-known lecturer in Ohr Somayach-Yerushalayim, by means of which he asserts that it is demonstrated that there is a a concept of psak in matters of “Hashkafah”more precisely, in matters of Aggadah. I address these sources in order, below, in a response to an email. I only address the first few references, because by then you'll get the drift!
    Here are some notes on psak in hashkafa - I do not have the time to edit them now,but perhaps you will get the drift..... Psak in hashkafa
    see kidushin 71a Ramban, Raavad, Ritva
    This source is not relevant, it is an issue of Hilchasa l'Meshichah – the question there is a halachic one, as to whether Eliyahu will be metaher mamzerim or not. True, it is a halacha that is not currently relevant – but it a halachic issue.
    see Kid. 36a "banim atem" the Rashba paskens halacha k'rebbi Meir. And see Har Tzvi and Torah Temima in Shas Lublin.
    The Rashba is in the Teshuvos 1:194. He is discussing the question of whether a meshumad is metamei b'ohel like a regular Yisroel or not. He mentions that “according to R' Meir he is also included in banim.” This is not meant to be the basis of the psak. It is only mentioning a point of fact, that according to R' Meir he is included in banim.
    In fact, however, to prove that there is such a concept as a psak in Hashkafah, we would have to find a posek derashos haran 5
    I can't address this reference, since I do not know to what point in the Ran it refers. tos yom tov sota 3:5
    The Tosafos Yom Tov maintains there that there is no concept of psak in Aggadah:
    תוי"ט על מסכת סוטה פרק ג משנה ה
    רבי אומר הזכות תולה לה כו' אלא מתנוונה - פליגי רב ששת ורב יוסף. רב יוסף ס"ל דלת"ק מתנוונה נמי לא. ורב ששת סובר דת"ק נמי סבירא ליה דתולה אבל מתנוונה כו'. ופירש רש"י ולא פליגי רבנן עליה דרבי אלא בסוף שהיא מתה באותה מיתה לחוד. ע"כ. והרמב"ם בחבורו פרק ג' העתיק דברי רבי אפשר שסובר דהנא קמא ורבי לא פליגי כלל. ורבי לא אתי אלא לפרושי דברי ת"ק ולתרוצי לקושיתו של ר"ש. א"נ לא להלכה כתב כן שכבר כתב בפירושו שכשיש מחלוקת בין החכמים בסברת אמונה. אין תכליתו מעשה מן המעשים. שאין אומרים שום הלכה כפלוני ע"כ. אלא משום דמסתבר טעמיה דרבי ראה להעתיק דבריו:
    chovos halevevos intro
    Again, I don't know to what this reference refers. meshech chochma emor "raui"
    Again, I don't know to what this reference refers. [note many cases where tanaim dispute "hashkafa" questions e.g. Sota symbolism] The three cases mentioned by Rabbi Kaplan: Peirush hamishna Sota 2:5 - when mayim bodek - machlokes R Meir, R Akiva [so they definately did pasken] and Rambam says Hashem knows; 3:3 - hashkafa v'dea without maaseh, ain lomar halacha k'ploni. See Mishna Torah 3: 16, 3:20 - he does pasken!
    This is a distortion of the Peirush HaMishnayos. All the Rambam says is that the waters can check for future licentious behavior, if that is their intent, because Hashem knows the future!
    רמב"ם פירוש המשניות - מסכת סוטה פרק ב משנה ה
    על מה היא אומרת אמן אמן אמן על האלה כו' - זאת המשנה לרבי עקיבא שומרת יבם ערוה, וכבר נתפרסם לו זה הדעה במקומות מיבמות, ולפיכך אם זינתה אסורה על יבמה ולכך היה צריך שיתנה עמה שלא זינתה שומרת יבם. ואין הלכה כר"ע אלא פסק ההלכה שומרת יבם שזינתה מותרת ליבמה, ולפיכך אין צריך להתנות עליה כשהיתה שומרת יבם ור"מ אומר שהיא נשבעת על העתיד לבא, ולפיכך כל זמן שזינתה מכאן ולהבא תמות, והשם הוא היודע:
    The statement that the Rambam “contradicts” himself and proceeds to render psak in matters of Aggadah is absurd, and casts aspersions on the Rambam to boot! This is what the Rambam writes:
    רמב"ם יד החזקה - הלכות שוטה פרק ג
    (טז) אם טהורה היא יוצאה והולכת לה והרי היא מותרת לבעלה ואם טמאה היא מיד פניה מוריקות ועיניה בולטות והיא מתמלאה גידין גידין והן אומרין הוציאוה הוציאוה שלא תפרוש נדה והנדות מטמאות עזרת נשים והן מוציאין אותה מעזרת נשים שהיא עומדת בה ובטנה צבה בתחלה ואחר כך תפול ירכה ותמות:
    (כ) שוטה שהיה לה זכות תלמוד תורה אע"פ שאינה מצווה על תלמוד תורה הרי זו תולה לה ואינה מתה לשעתה אלא נימוקת והולכת וחלאים כבדים באין עליה עד שתמות אחר שנה או שתים או שלש לפי זכותה והיא מתה בצביית בטן ובנפילת איברין:
    What the Rambam here does is give us a narrative of the course of events in the case of a Sotah being checked by the waters. It is not a psak. Not everything in Mishneh Torah is a psak! Rather, to give us the gist of the idea of what does and does not happen in the course of the procedure, the Rambam gives us as broad and encompassing an overview as possible.
    If anyone has any specific difficulties with the references cited below, please let me know and I will try to deal with them.

    See Shavuous 1:4 - kaparas hamusafim - it is Divine management, and since it is not l'maaseh we will not pasken. Hil Shavuous 11:9 he does pasken. Sefer Hamitzvos lo saaseh 133 zar she achal teruma misa bidei shamayim: limitation only not to pasken when there is no nafka mina l'maaseh - is that his limitation? - the Gemora clearly is paskening. But in Mishna Torah he does pasken: Terumos perek 6:6. Moreh II:29 - we do not accept the age of the world 6000 because it is a daas yachid . III:17 Also paskens yesh yisurim bli avon....i.e. He paskens against yisurim shel ahava - he says "a few of the chachamim" - presumably the authority for rejecting is that they are a minority. Also see his letter on astrology: It is appropriate to believe only three types of things: something proved by man's intellect, like calculation, geometry or astronomical periods; something perceived by the senses directly and immediately; something received from the prophets and the tzadikim!! Notice that there is no room here for theoretical science at all, certainly not "historical" sciences. ...all astrology is nonsense...and I know that you can search and find individuals among the chachomim of the Talmud and Midrash that their words show that at the time of birth the stars will cause etc. Do not be troubled [by those statements] for it is not appropriate for one to abandon halacha l'maaseh and search out objections and answers; and it is not appropriate to abandon matters of daas that have been demonstrated with proofs and wipe his hands of them and rely upon an individual of the chachomim - that indivudal may have missed something, or his statement was not meant literally, or he said it only about his time or the particular event with which he was dealing. [We see here that the Rambam felt he had to square himself with the chachomim - if he did not have the authority to oppose them he would have to agree. And that authority includes the fact that the authors of the statements are individuals. *Do you not know that there are verses that [their true meaning is] not according to their peshat? **And since we know with proofs of daas that it is impossible for them to be according their peshat, Onkelos translated them in a way that daas can accept. A person should never abandon his daas.... [It seems that * is a reason for taking the statement of the individual chachom that seemed to endorse astrololgy figuratively - for even verses are sometimes taken figuratively.... ** Explains that in those cases the translation was chosen to agree with daas. Is there an impoication that the opposition of daas alone justifies rejecting the peshat? And even if so - how much does daas include? If it includes contradiction with other verese [as in Guide ] then we are not opposing logic to Torah. And this agrees with his use above of other reaons together with logic to oppose the statements of chochomim that seem to support astrology.] [It is not clear exactly how his different counter arguments are related - all are necessary only only some; how much does the fact of having proofs to his position weigh.....]]. Moshiach comes or not - Rambam paskens bec it is ikar of emuna. And he paskens in peirush hamishnayos. So nafka mina l'maaseh includes belief [But see end of 13 ikarim - also nafka mina in how we treat him.] Was the tana who said no moshiach a kofer? No - prior to psak there is not such guilt - Reb Chaim [though he was objectively wrong]. See Abarbenal Rosh Amana chap 14 - it is not a machlokes at all - he meant something else. Megaleh panim she lo k'halacha -ain lo chelek but not in defintion of kofer. So responsibility of belief goes beyond def of kofer. Nafka mina of kofer is being member of klal Yisroel [see end of 13 ikarim in peirush to San chap 10] - the ikarim define kofer, but does not exhaust reponsibilities of belief. Megaleh panim - def: San 99b - hagada shel dofi [Mishna - Hil teshuva - 3 all emuna cases of no chelek vioalate one ofthe 13 ikarim. Peirush hamishna Avos [megaleh panim] 3:11 - Rambam - azus in action davka. But others take it as hagadah shel dofi [she lo k'halacha means "improperly" - not "against the halacha" [Rashba - hagada shel dofi includes allegorizing wrongly - implication that the peshat is trivial or wrong: that IS the attitude of contempt] - attitude of contempt can cost olam haba. Compare hil talmud Torah, tushava 9, and ultimately Guide III:51. MP - hilchasa l'meshicha is a reaons in the Gemora not to paskan, but Rambam does pasken them in M.T. He is writing halacha for the times of mashiach. The Gemora seems to be objecting that if there is no need for a psak = no nafka mina l'maaseh, why pasken? But in m.t since he is writing for yemos hamoshiach, there is a nfka mina l'maaseh for that time, so he paskens.


  1. Dad, how about replacing "drift" with "asleep"-*YAWN*-?

  2. Could you please address Hillel the second's no moshiach opinion? We say it is halachah to believe in the ikarim including moshiach.
    Is this a psak on hashkafah?

  3. The Rambam holds that ikkarei emunah are not matters of hashkafah but of halachah.

  4. But isn't determining the ikkarei emunah taking hashkafic ideas and codifing them into halachically mandated beliefs, and hence a psak on hashkafah?

  5. Something on The topic:



  6. I once read an article contending that Rambam's definition of ikkarei emunah was intended for a halachic purpose, to clarify who was a nonbeliever and subject to the associated penalties.

  7. Chalav Yisroel Please


  8. http://ahavtemeshager.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-kind-of-standards-does-queens-vaad.html

    Check this out

  9. By the way the Kedusha Ketanah guy did not do it and Rb Shlomo Zalman said it was not Chal plus she is married with Kids and she never spoke too him. I know the guy